What inherited economic assumptions does education quietly reproduce, even when it claims to be about justice?

In this episode, I speak with Cat Ho. Cat was trained as an economist but left the field early in search of work that could genuinely make the world better. That path first took her into a Christian non-profit, and later back into economics through teaching IB Diploma Programme Economics. Through her work with teachers and Gen Z learners, Cat became interested in how education can help people question inherited economic assumptions and imagine alternative possibilities. She is currently developing Critical Economic Literacy as a key dimension of Global Citizenship Education. She says that the heart of her work is a simple but demanding question: what kind of education might actually help the world become a more just and peaceful place? We discuss:

🥥 Criticality as means of tearing down in order to build up;

🥥 How if we all spoke up, the possibility of change would be greater, though we still need networks and wisdom;

🥥 The creation of the precariat (that class of people afraid to lose the little it has) means we live on fear and don't always want to fight for change.

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Check out Cat's site WONDER: https://wonder-educationreimagined.org/critical-econ-literacy

What might a rhizomatic, nomadic education look like?

In this episode, I speak with Mark Ingham, Ph.D. Mark is an artist, scholar, and radical educator whose five-decade career bridges creative practice, critical theory, and experimental pedagogy. Trained at Chelsea School of Art and the Slade, he became known early for bold, site-responsive installations His art has been exhibited at the Whitechapel, Kettle’s Yard, Riverside Studios, and internationally. Alongside his studio practice, Mark has a long history of socially engaged work in schools, galleries, prisons, and community settings, grounding his teaching in real-world questions of culture, power, and place. He is now Reader in Critical and Nomadic Pedagogies at University of the Arts London, Co-Chair of the Professoriate, and founder of the Experimental Pedagogies Research Group, a vibrant network of 500+ educators rethinking creative learning. We discuss:

🥥 Questioning why we follow the rules we’ve inherited, and refusing to keep doing things just because “that’s how it’s always been;"

🥥 Stripping away labels and boundaries so we can re-wild ourselves and the world into something more alive;

🥥 Moving through de-territorialization and re-territorialization: the old pattern loosens, things shift, and a new pattern takes shape.

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Find out more about Mark and his upcoming book: https://markingham.org/

What if life doesn’t fight decay, but feeds on it?

In this episode, I explore metabolic ontology, a way of seeing being, learning, and ethics as continual re-organization. Entropy, loss, and transformation aren’t problems to fix; they’re the medium through which life keeps composing itself.

Drawing from my work in regenerative education, I look at how this shift from stability to metabolism changes everything: how we understand learning&doing, assessment, and the role of institutions. Regeneration isn’t preservation; it’s participation: the willingness to let forms, including our own, decompose when vitality demands it.

This episode is an invitation to see education, and life itself, as becoming-through-loss: coherence renewing through change, vitality re-organizing through decay.