Lou and Eden return - with a jingle, and two more topics of interest: The Pope & Imagining Sustainable Futures.

With discussion touching on the works of Rob Hopkins, Robert Harris and Richard Powers, this episode honours white men with names starting with R and creative & intellectual brilliance to boot. Oh, and those snazzy papal robes.

Stick around and count how many times Pete the cat makes his opinions known (HINT: it was at least twice as much before editing). Thanks for tuning in!

Chronic hyperfixators Lou and Eden begin their voyage into the interesting by bringing the series' first two topics to the podcast table (i.e. their creaky sofa): Being Interested and Natural Fibres.

This fortnight's conversation takes them from the depths of the UK education system to the treacherous waters of trying to shop sustainably in the aeon of Shein - some of it's interesting, some less so. Tune in to find out.

Maybe next time there'll be a jingle.