Do you find yourself hitting every goal and still asking "what's next?" Our guest, Meghan French Dunbar, has a name for that loop — and it lives in the same part of your brain as addiction. In this episode, Michelle and Sophia sit down with the "business anthropologist" and bestselling author of This Isn't Working to unpack why your worth isn't tied to your work, how to actually define your values (hint: keep it to five), and why the "soft skills" we undervalue are really leadership skills. Whether you're heading to college or running a team, this conversation will stick with you.

📖 Grab a copy of Meghan's book This Isn't Working

→ meghanfrenchdunbar.com

📲 Follow her on Instagram → @meghanfrenchdunbar

Timestamps:

1. 00:00 — Meet Meghan French Dunbar

2. 04:25 — Follow What Lights You Up & the 3 Pillars of Flourishing

3. 19:56 — Defining Your Values (The Funeral Question)

4. 27:01 — Holistic Leadership: Why "Soft Skills" Are Leadership Skills

5. 32:05 — Why Your Boss Affects You More Than Your Spouse

Natasha Arvinte-Hickey grew up in post-Soviet Moldova, where a cold apartment and two unemployed parents taught her exactly what scarcity feels like. Today she coaches leaders and teams across Europe and Asia — and her message is not what you'd expect.

In this conversation, Michelle and Sophia ask Natasha why great players so often make a terrible team, why friction is a signal instead of a problem, and what leaders keep getting wrong about layoffs and AI. Her answer to almost everything comes back to one thing: most of us don't actually know ourselves. Learning that, she says, is the anchor everything else hangs on.

Connect with Natasha:
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/natasha-arvinte-hickey-63a56077

Time Stamps:

00:00 — Meet Natasha: From Moldova to Dublin
07:20 — Why Great Players Don't Make a Great Team
13:54 — Friction Is a Signal, Not a Problem
18:53 — Leading People Through AI, Layoffs, and Change
31:26 — The Skills AI Can't Replace (Plus Natasha's 3 Pieces of Advice)

A closet cleanout and a country dance floor. That's all it took for Sophia to land two income streams she never went looking for.

In this episode, Sophia walks Michelle through how clothes that were headed for the donation bin turned into about $60 on Depop — including the tank top that sold within hours after racking up nearly 1,000 views. Then the story takes a turn. One night of line dancing in Arizona put her across from a 24-year-old art broker, which led to a private gallery tour, an hour-long crash course in selling $30K–$100K art, and a commission offer.

Links mentioned:

1. Depop (resale app) → www.depop.com

2. David Yarrow, fine art photographer discussed in the gallery segment → davidyarrow.photography

00:00 — Two Summer Hustles Nobody Planned

01:06 — The Closet Cleanout That Became a Business

06:59 — Handwritten Notes & 5-Star Reviews: Building Trust as a Seller

08:13 — A Country Dance Floor, an Art Broker, and a Gallery Invite

13:56 — Inside High-End Art Sales: Investment vs. Emotion, Follow-Up, and the Commission Offer