In this hard-hitting episode of Hallers Playbook, Former England Rugby International Simon Halliday sits down with David Campese – Wallabies legend, Rugby World Cup winner, and one of the most iconic players in the history of the sport – for a brutally honest conversation about the state of rugby in Australia.

From the golden days of the amateur era to the professional game we see today, Campese reflects on how the sport has changed – and not always for the better. He speaks candidly about the negative impact rugby league is having on union in Australia, the lack of strategy and direction from leadership, and why the game is struggling to inspire the next generation.

Simon and David agree on one thing: to secure rugby’s future, the sport must return to its historical ideals, focus on skill and passion over bureaucracy, and actually listen to the wisdom of its most experienced players.

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• (00:01:46) - Australia vs the Lions
• (00:08:04) - Steve Ella on Australian rugby
• (00:13:37) - Steve Smith on turning pro in Australia
• (00:17:32) - Joe Farrell on Sevens
• (00:23:07) - Steve Kearney on Australian rugby
• (00:26:13) - Steve Hansen: Who would you pick to play against?
• (00:31:55) - England's scrum halves
• (00:37:22) - A Taste of Super Rugby
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