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That moment when everything in you wants to react harshly, but something whispers "pause"—we've all been there. In this illuminating conversation with Kathy Larson, managing partner of Hartman Color Code, we explore how understanding core motives transforms relationships of all kinds.

Kathy reveals the fundamental difference between personality and core motive, explaining how we're each driven primarily by one of four colors: Red (power), Blue (intimacy), White (peace), or Yellow (fun). Unlike other personality assessments, the Color Code identifies why we do what we do, not just what we do. This distinction makes all the difference in creating authentic connection with others.

Through compelling stories—from a tense parenting moment with a drill left in the rain to a 6'10" blue husband trying to operate as a red—we witness how transformative this understanding can be. Kathy shares her own journey as a 92% yellow who had to confront her limitations around commitment, and how that growth enabled her to eventually become the steward of this powerful system.

The conversation takes fascinating turns as Jeff discovers his surprising test results—more blue than red—leading to a vulnerable exploration of how operating outside our true core creates exhaustion and disconnection. We also discover how Kathy's work with athletes through Edge4 helps them develop identity beyond sports by connecting with their authentic motives.

Whether you're struggling with a relationship, leading a team, or simply seeking to understand yourself better, this episode offers practical insights to see yourself and others with greater clarity and compassion. Don't miss part two coming next week—and be sure to take the Color Code assessment with our special listener discount!