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60 years of Gestalt. Conversations with Frank Rubenfeld

60 years of Gestalt. Conversations with Frank Rubenfeld

著者： Dr Steve Vinay Gunther. Dr Frank Rubenfeld
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Frank first encountered Gestalt - and Fritz Pearls - in 1966. He was part of the original Gestalt Institute of San Francisco, and also taught at CIIS (California Institute of Integral Studies). At 90 he is still practicing, and is a delightful conversational partner.Gestalt therapy International 社会科学
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  • #3 Gestalt Therapy Values and the Question of Morality with Frank Rubenfeld

    #3 Gestalt Therapy Values and the Question of Morality with Frank Rubenfeld
    2026/09/18
    • Learn the four values at the heart of Frank Rubenfeld's book “Gestalt Therapy Values” • Hear the uncomfortable thought experiment that questions whether Gestalt values are amoral • Explore real client stories about infidelity, autonomy, and where therapy draws the line • Understand the tension between existentialist “amoral” bracketing and professional codes of ethics • See why Martin Buber's I-Thou philosophy has its own moralism, according to Lynn Jacobs In this third conversation, Frank Rubenfeld introduces the topic behind his book “Gestalt Therapy Values” — a collection of his articles compiled and translated into Ukrainian by a psychotherapist in Ukraine and published through the International Association of Experimental Gestalt Therapists. Frank identifies four values he sees as central to Gestalt practice — agency, awareness, authenticity, and aliveness — and host Vinay Gunther adds a fifth, dialogue, tracing it to the face-to-face, I-Thou relational stance Fritz Perls drew from Martin Buber and Wilhelm Reich. The conversation then turns provocative: Frank argues these four values are themselves amoral, illustrating the point with an uncomfortable example — a Nazi torturer can display agency, awareness, authenticity, and aliveness while doing something monstrous — and asks whether Gestalt, with its roots in phenomenology and existentialism, has ever adequately grappled with right and wrong. From there, both therapists share candid case examples: Frank's own history with infidelity in his first marriage and the years it took him to stop moralizing with clients who were having affairs, a client whose long-running affair with a married man unraveled in therapy once Frank gently invited her to consider “the wider field,” and Vinay's work with a young man wrestling with whether to have children, framed through Sartre's account of moral dilemmas without a clean answer. The episode closes with a wider discussion of professional codes of ethics — including sobering statistics on therapist-client sexual relationships — and the tension between rule-following and Gestalt's insistence on authentic, uncoerced choice.
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  • #2 The Dodo Bird Verdict and the Tao of Gestalt

    #2 The Dodo Bird Verdict and the Tao of Gestalt
    2026/09/03
    • Understand the “dodo bird verdict” and what decades of research say about why therapy works • Learn why Gestalt therapists are trained to reveal themselves, not just facilitate • Explore the difference between intention and Daoist wu wei, illustrated by a visit to Laozi's temple • See how Gestalt field theory explains behavior, from Vichy France to modern Chinese culture • A conversation between two Gestalt therapists comparing six decades and four decades of practice In this second conversation, host Vinay Gunther and veteran Gestalt therapist Frank Rubenfeld dig into the “dodo bird verdict” — the long-standing research finding that most psychotherapies produce similar outcomes, and that the quality of the therapeutic relationship may matter more than technique or “evidence-based” branding. That question opens into a shared reflection on how each of them first found Gestalt: Frank recalls seeing Fritz Perls hold court at an APA conference, while Vinay describes stumbling into a six-day workshop near Sydney and knowing within a day that “this is me.” From there the conversation surveys what continues to distinguish Gestalt from the sixty-plus therapies now on offer, including its theatrical, improvisational roots in Perls's use of role-play and the empty chair, its historical alignment with the political underdog and the social-justice movements of the 1960s, and — perhaps most centrally — its insistence on an authentic, dialogic “I-Thou” relationship in which the therapist is willing to reveal something of themselves. The second half of the episode turns to intentionality: Frank distinguishes simply wanting something from the agency required to pursue it, and the two explore the tension between intention and the Daoist idea of wu wei, illustrated by a visit to Laozi's original Daoist temple and an abbot's teaching that even “going with the flow” requires the intention to plant crops in season. That leads into Gestalt field theory — the idea that our wants and actions are always shaped by a larger context — with examples ranging from Vichy France's shifting political allegiances after 1941 to Vinay's own experience helping Chinese clients attend to their individual wants within a culture that prizes family harmony.
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    54 分
  • #1 The Anarchic Roots of Gestalt Therapy

    #1 The Anarchic Roots of Gestalt Therapy
    2026/08/06
    • Hear the firsthand story of Fritz Perls's legendary clash with Albert Ellis at the 1966 APA conference • Learn how the original Gestalt Institute of San Francisco trained therapists with no syllabus at all • Explore why psychotherapy licensing and accreditation can work against a therapy's founding spirit • Discover Frank Rubenfeld's original theory distinguishing the “here-and-now” from a continuous “now process” A 90-year-old veteran therapist reflects on 60 years of Gestalt's evolution In this inaugural conversation, veteran Gestalt therapist Frank Rubenfeld — who just turned 90 and has practiced for roughly sixty years — sits down with host Vinay Gunther for a wide-ranging, unscripted introduction. Frank recounts what first pulled him toward psychology (his father's interest in Zen, and later his father's gender transition), then tells the now-famous story of watching Fritz Perls spar with Albert Ellis on stage at a 1966 APA conference — the encounter that pulled him into Gestalt. From there the conversation moves through the freewheeling, “anarchist” culture of the original Gestalt Institute of San Francisco in the 1970s, where trainers taught however they liked and a two-year apprenticeship earned a certificate with no syllabus required, and traces how the field has since drifted toward accreditation, licensing, and standardized curricula. Along the way, Frank and the host reflect on authenticity and transparency as core Gestalt values, discuss an unsettling story about a pastor who trained an AI “twin” to counsel his congregation, compare Zoom therapy to in-person work, and dig into Frank's own theoretical contribution: distinguishing the immediate “here-and-now” from a more continuous, subjective “now process.” The episode closes with Frank reading an original poem and an open invitation to record again with Vinay.
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    51 分
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