In this episode, we’re joined by Kris Younger, a longtime technologist and the Director of Education at Zip Code Wilmington, a nonprofit coding bootcamp. Zip Code is on the absolute frontier of technology, helping adults from diverse backgrounds, who often earn between $30,000 and $35,000 per year, rapidly transition into tech careers with salaries in the mid-eighties, all in just 12 intense weeks.

Kris shares his unique perspective on how the role of the software developer is fundamentally changing, shifting from a "coder" to a "programmer" who is more like a business analyst and a director. This conversation is an urgent exploration of how to make education nimble enough to prepare students for the future of work, not the past.

• The Age of Steam Programming: Kris likens the arrival of generative AI to the shift from sailing ships to steam engines, the fundamental skills needed to build software have changed forever.

• From Coding to Management: Traditional computer science knowledge of search routines and algorithms is being taken over by LLMs. The crucial human skills are now critical thinking, communication, and management of the AI tools.

• Projects are the New Exam: In a world where LLMs can generate code, the only effective way to assess knowledge is through project-based work that demands group collaboration and real-world delivery (like building a Slack clone in a week).

• Weaponize AI in Response: Instead of trying to ban AI, educators must change the assignment. AI is now a power tool; the education challenge is to teach people how to think critically enough to manage that tool effectively.

• The On-Ramp Problem: Kris's biggest concern is that businesses, confused about the future, will cut off entry-level hiring, denying themselves the adaptable, open-minded new talent who haven't yet learned "what's impossible."