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208. Katie Herzog on Drinking Herself Sober, Being Canceled, and "Getting Free"

208. Katie Herzog on Drinking Herself Sober, Being Canceled, and "Getting Free"

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Nancy and Sarah are joined by Katie Herzog, co-host of the Blocked and Reported podcast and author of an up-and-coming book on quitting booze, Drink Yourself Sober. They talk about getting canceled, navigating public backlash, and why Katie’s drinking tale is different from Sarah’s — she used Naltrexone, an opioid-blocker, to help quit. They discuss AA, the meaning of the word “alcoholic,” the nature of addiction, and why there’s no wrong way to get sober.

Also on tap:

* Jesse Singal, analyzed

* If you walk into the online arena, expect to get gored

* Helen Lewis, epic BARpod co-host

* Dan Savage is brilliant, but can he help us understand “freak offs”? (Please?)

* The Onion was once sold for $10,000?

* Andy Mills, top-tier man!

* Missing Twitter, pre-Elon

* Do NOT type your name into BlueSky

* When Katie realized she had a drinking problem

* “Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn’t done so yet”

* Sarah breastfed until what age?

* The Sinclair method

* Fun drunk v. sleepy drunk

* The tragic death of Jonathan Joss

* Sarah was Katie’s AA sensitivity reader

* Naltrexone, the Ozempic of booze

* Sarah learns a new phrase: “pharmacological extinction”

* “My life is monumentally better than when I was drinking”

* AA founder Bill Wilson = weirder than you think

* Writing a recovery book is a weird form of insurance

* GETTING FREE

* That Salon personal essay Katie can’t get off the Internet

* Piled on by Milo Yiannapoulos, oh the irony

* Katie is fine being cringe

* RIP, William Langewiesche

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