Matt admits he could never work for anyone else — the moment he’s told to “just agree,” he checks out. That sparks a debate with Anne about ownership, leadership, and how every company mirrors its founder’s effort. Anne shares how her best collaborations click when people stay in their “working genius,” while Matt explains why a team without a captain can’t steer anywhere.

The two dive into Anne’s pause on Ten to Launch, the struggle of bandwidth across multiple ventures, and why consulting can quietly delay your vision by years. From AI’s role in agencies to the myth of “hands-off” businesses, they unpack what it really takes to grow something that doesn’t fall apart the second you look away.

🚨 Stuff You’ll Want to Remember:

• “The company you run reflects your behavior — if you half-ass it, everyone else will too.” – Matt
• “It’s all about finding good people who match your energy and work within their gifts.” – Anne
• “You can have a great team, but without a captain, it doesn’t work.” – Matt
• “We’re moonlighting hardcore — every founder knows that stretch.” – Anne
• “If you walk away from a startup too early, it always goes down.” – Matt
• “We built Ten to Launch for the future, but bandwidth is everything.” – Anne
• “AI isn’t taking jobs — bad adaptation is.” – Matt
• “You still need a robot wrangler — someone connecting all the dots between people and AI.” – Anne
• “Consulting feels safe, but it delays your vision by five to ten years.” – Matt
• “Sometimes, revenue today is the very thing holding you back from the future you want.” – Matt

📡 Where to Find Us

• Anne → Fix & Form - LinkedIn
• Matt → ChipBot - LinkedIn