When your husband's family enables his affair and makes you the villain, the betrayal cuts twice as deep. In this raw and essential episode, Carl and Laura Lentz tackle one of the most painful questions they've received: what do you do when your in-laws collude with the affair partner, feed them information, and blame you for the infidelity? Drawing from their own experience of distancing from family during recovery and counseling countless couples through ministry betrayal, they reveal why you don't owe anyone access to you during healing, how to take control of your narrative when everyone's telling a different story, and the exact boundaries you need to protect your recovery. Laura opens up about why they separated from Carl's family (not due to collusion, but for space to make decisions without outside opinions), while Carl exposes the insane pressure to control narratives in ministry contexts. They break down the brutal truth: if you're trying to help your in-laws grieve while you're still bleeding from betrayal, you're abandoning yourself. From wives being vilified by their husband's entire family to mothers developing relationships with affair partners, this conversation reveals why collusion is so common in ministry marriages and what to do about it. Plus: why Christian couples should stop being embarrassed about sex therapy, the difference between "fine" and "thrilling" intimacy, and how religious trauma keeps couples from having honest conversations about their sex lives. Whether you're the betrayed spouse dealing with toxic in-laws, trying to figure out if you should cut off family members who enabled infidelity, or wondering how to heal when everyone's against you, this episode gives you permission to disconnect from false narratives and reconnect with who you really are. Warning: This conversation challenges the evangelical pressure to "keep the peace" with family at all costs and may trigger those who've built their identity on being the peacemaker instead of protecting their own healing.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 - Lights On: Introduction and Birthday Banter

00:02:22 - Sex Therapy for Christian Couples: Breaking the Taboo

00:08:34 - Letters from Our Readers Introduction

00:09:31 - Today's Topics: Family Collusion After Infidelity

00:09:55 - Defining Collusion: What It Means

00:11:05 - Reading the Listener Letter: Mother-in-Law Enabled the Affair

00:13:18 - Laura's Story: Why We Distanced from Carl's Family

00:14:28 - Ministry Betrayal: Narrative Control is Insane

00:19:40 - Step 1: Change Your Position - You Don't Owe Anyone Access

00:20:20 - Forgiveness Does Not Mean Friendship

00:21:14 - Secure Safety First Before Any Reintegration

00:22:39 - Require Full Disclosure, Not Drip Disclosure

00:26:24 - You Get to Define All the Relationships

00:27:18 - Family Boundary Contract with Clear Repair Requirements

00:33:36 - Picking the Right Therapist: Why Betrayal Trauma Specialists Matter

00:35:56 - Step 4: Your Husband Needs to Step Up and Set the Story Straight

00:37:01 - When a Man Gets Married, He Starts His Own Family

00:39:27 - Protecting Your Children: Who Gets to Tell Them What Happened

00:42:16 - Integrity Example: The Phone Call Story

00:43:54 - Disconnecting from False Narratives About Yourself

00:45:15 - Final Thoughts: Take Control Back One Step at a Time

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