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Jonathan Reams, PhD, is currently doing action research projects exploring how to scale micro-skill development for habituating core leadership practices. He approaches this work drawing on experiences from holding a position at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) from 2007 until 2024, serving as editor-in-chief of Integral Review from 2005 to 2023, and being chief creative officer at the Center for Transformative Leadership and Adeptify.

A Few Quotes From This Episode

• "You may think your inner state is invisible, but you can’t hide it.”
• “The success of the intervention is primarily due to the interior condition of the intervener.”
• “Resilience isn’t about bouncing back to normal—it’s about expanding your capacity.”
• “Leaders create the weather. Your energy is the signal everyone else reads first.”
• “Knowing about something isn’t the same as learning how to do it.”

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

• Article: Amal and Berndt’s paper on the knowing–doing gap
• Book: An Everyone Culture by Kegan and Lahey
• Book: The Outward Mindset by The Arbinger Institute
• Book: Theory U by Otto Scharmer
• Organization: HeartMath Institute
• Tool: MindLog by Theo Dawson

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