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Going Horizontal: Indigenous Wisdom, Listening & the Future of Work

Going Horizontal: Indigenous Wisdom, Listening & the Future of Work

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 Samantha Slade, author of Going Horizontal and co-founder of Percolab, shares her journey from education and anthropology into pioneering participatory leadership and practical ways to work together.Slade reflects on how early life experiences—from teaching in remote Canadian communities to witnessing a revolution in Central America—shaped her views on power, courage, and the need for authenticity in the workplace. Samantha discusses how horizontal practices can transform organizations, why listening is the foundation of collaboration, and how Indigenous traditions influence her approach to leadership and organizational design.Together, we explore:Rethinking Hierarchy – Why organizations don’t need to be monarchies to be effective.The Power of Listening – How listening culture creates psychological safety and shared responsibility.Indigenous Wisdom – Lessons from Indigenous practices on stewardship, spirit, and complexity.Abundance Mindset – Power and knowledge as renewable and expansive resources.Care & Productivity – How relational well-being directly fuels organizational outcomes.Watch this episode on YouTubeListen on: [Apple Podcasts] | Spotify | [Pocket Casts] | [RSS Feed]ThemesHorizontal Leadership – Moving from command-and-control to collaborative structures.Courage & Authenticity – Bringing full humanity, including difficult emotions, into the workplace.Indigenous Practices – Integrating stewardship, reciprocity, and spirit into modern organizations.Listening as a Practice – Developing cultures of deep listening to build trust and effectiveness.Abundance & Power – Reframing power as limitless and collective rather than scarce.Care & Productivity – Understanding care not as a distraction but as the driver of engagement.TimestampsBeginnings & Inspirations00:00 — Welcome & Introduction of Samantha Slade00:39 — From education to questioning hierarchy02:48 — Founding Percolab as an applied research labEarly Life & Formative Experiences05:45 — Teaching in a fly-in community in Northern Canada07:56 — Witnessing revolution and resilience in Nicaragua09:40 — Surviving a human trafficking attempt and finding courage13:24 — Reconnecting authenticity and emotions in workspacesWorkplace Dynamics & Horizontal Practices16:19 — Why workplaces are monarchies, not democracies17:56 — Gallup research on global employee disengagement19:09 — Small shifts that transform organizational culture21:01 — Talking circles and conflict resolution in practiceAbundance, Reciprocity & Indigenous Wisdom22:50 — Open-sourcing practices & shifting from scarcity to abundance24:30 — Standing on the shoulders of cultural traditions26:20 — Why Going Horizontal is an action, not a destination29:10 — Scaling collaboration: from small groups to large organizationsTrust, Structure & Leadership35:36 — Building conditions for trust in organizations37:00 — Horizontal systems are structured, not structureless39:56 — Key diagnostic: listening culture as a first step42:28 — “Listen For” – a game to cultivate listening practicesCare, Power & Decolonization43:46 — Why care and productivity belong together47:32 — Navigating crises collectively, not alone50:25 — Power as abundant rather than scarce54:09 — Decolonizing organizational practices59:18 — Stewardship and the “Keeper of Spirit” roleSuccess Stories & Closing Reflections01:06:58 — Revitalizing Inuit language and agency through strategic planning01:12:56 — Shifting from performative to well-being indicators01:16:05 — Closing gratitude & reflectionsReferences📖 Going Horizontal: Creating a Non-Hierarchical Organization, One Practice at a Time – Samantha Slade📚 Tyson Yunkaporta – Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World📚 David Snowden – Work on complexity and sense-making📖 Wade Davis – The Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World📚 Otto Scharmer – Theory UTranscriptLucas Tauil (00:02.044)Today we welcome Samantha Slade, author of Going Horizontal, creating a non-hierarchical organization, one practice at a time. Samantha Slade is the co-founder of the Percolab, where she pioneers culture-driven practices and operational tools to grow participatory leadership. Sam, such an honor to have you here. Welcome.Samantha Slade (00:28.066)Thank you so much. I'm delighted to be here.Lucas Tauil (00:31.325)Could you start by sharing a bit about your journey and what first drew you into working with horizontal organizations?Samantha Slade (00:39.98)Hmm. Where to start? How far back should I go? So I mean, I can start with a professional worker, Samantha. My first career was in the realm of education and I was very successful in it and went up the ladder. And as I went up, I just kept feeling stranger and stranger inside my belly that something was amiss, that this wasn't howthe world was supposed to work. This wasn't how I was designed to function. And until after...
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