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Michael J. Ormsbee, PhD

• Michael J. Ormsbee is a professor in the Department of Nutrition, Food & Exercise Sciences at FSU.
• He serves as the Graduate Program Director and is the Director for the FSU Institute of Sports Sciences & Medicine (ISSM).
• He holds the Margaret A. Sitton Endowed Professorship at FSU.

Professor Ormsbee’s work focuses on how exercise, nutrition, and supplementation interact to influence:

• Body composition, metabolism, and performance
• Pre-sleep (nighttime) feeding strategies and their effects on recovery, metabolism, and body composition
• The role of macronutrients (especially protein and types of carbohydrates) in fat metabolism, hormonal responses, and performance across both healthy and clinical populations
• Applications in athlete populations, as well as in metabolic disease, obesity, and clinical scenarios

Today I have the exact right person to talk about targeting optimal body composition. Mike Ormsbee PhD. Mike is a scientist athlete, researching health, body comp and human performance as the Director of the Florida State University’s Institute of Sports Sciences and Medicine. Dr Ormsbee agreed to join me to help us Wise Athletes to understand how exercise, nutrition, and supplementation can be used to optimize metabolism, body composition and performance

Principals

1. Speed of adaptation reflects health status and resilience: fuel switching speed, sugar tolerance, temperature tolerance, HR capacity (max vs. resting), endurance, mobility and strength provides headroom to recover from problems.
2. Benefit stacking: getting multiple benefits from our actions and food
3. Health maintenance is the real goal. Achieving goals is nice, but sustaining fitness and health is the real achievement. The key is fuel matching and non-linear calorie imbalance. (Practice maintenance)
4. No suffering; stay within yourself but push a little most days.
5. “Better is better”. Optimal is elusive but will slowly be achieved for each person
6. Little things add up. Start with easy to gain momentum and motivation for harder change.
7. Exercise doesn’t have to dominate your life; you just need to do enough of cardio/ endurance and HIIT/ strength work.
8. More variability = better resilience
9. Consistency of effort (we are forming new habits, need time to obtain positive feedback)
10. Progressive overload (change is painful, but only a little and only some of the time, if done right)
11. Modulated workload (for recovery, adaptation, mental health, and practice for maintenance mode)

• Mike's Body Composition training course ---Link to Amazon or Great Courses

• Episode 172 | Levers of (Food) Satiety | Ted Naiman MD
• Episode 142 | Fasting Mimicking Diet | Joseph Antoun MD PhD...

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Dr Ted Naiman Bio:

Dr. Ted Naiman is a board-certified Family Medicine physician in the department of Primary Care at a leading major medical center in Seattle. Dr. Naiman holds an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering, which influences his analytical approach to medicine. He earned his medical degree from Loma Linda University in 1997 . Initially raised in a near-vegetarian Seventh-day Adventist household, he experienced personal health challenges that led him to explore alternative nutritional strategies. This journey culminated in the development of the P:E Diet, focusing on the protein-to-energy ratio in foods, and now, Satiety per Calorie: Eating, solved, to promote fat loss and muscle gain.

For decades, diet books have focused on what to eat—low-carb, low-fat, paleo, keto, and everything in between. Today learn what really works for anyone who wants to improve health, body composition, athletic performance....longevity in sport.

What You’ll Learn Today:

✅ The four key factors that determine satiety per calorie ✅ Why protein and fiber are the ultimate weight-loss levers ✅ How to structure your diet for maximum satiety and effortless fat loss

• Satiety per Calorie website -- SatietyperCalorie.com
• Dr Ted Naiman's personal website -- TedNaiman.com

• Episode 145 | Food for Thought | William Li MD
• Episode 142 | Fasting Mimicking Diet | Joseph Antoun MD PhD
• Episode 137 | The #1 Secret to Healthy Fat Loss | Vyvyane Loh MD
• Episode 135 | What's Your Healthy Fat %? | Vyvyane Loh MD

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• Leave a review (or share this episode)
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*This content is never meant to serve as medical advice.

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Hunter Allen Bio:

Hunter Allen, ex-pro cyclist, coach and author has recently authored “Training and Competing with a Continuous Glucose Monitor”. Hunter is best known for his work with power meters and for developing the power training principles. He’s the co-author of “Training and Racing with a Power Meter”, along with “Cutting Edge Cycling” and “Triathlon: Training with Power”. Hunter was one of the co-developers of TrainingPeaks WKO software and a co-founder of TrainingPeaks. He founded and currently operates The Peaks Coaching Group.

Key Ideas:

• Managing blood glucose is not only important for health and longevity, it impacts athletic performance in real time
• Wearing a CGM provides access to the raw data needed to manage glucose via diet, feed schedule, activity
• For athletic performance, keeping blood glucose in the high performance zone means no bonking or premature fatigue.

• Hunter's Coaching Website -- PeaksCoachingGroup.com
• CGM Book Website - TrainingandCompetingwithaCGM.com

• Discover how and why seeing your continuous blood glucose with a CGM in real time will give you an edge in your sport with the ability to:
• Optimize the timing of nutrition intake (for exercise, for sleep…?)
• Determine the correct serving of foods to positively impact energy levels
• Understand the proper type of foods to use to “prime” your system before training or an event (“top off glycogen stores” without causing hypo-glycemic rebound?)
• Recognize patterns of poor nutrition and correct them (food combos, volume of fast carbs)
• Learn your blood glucose highs and lows throughout the day to correct them for better glucose stability (why correct them?)
• And so much more

• Episode 87 | Zeroing in on Fun AND Fitness part 2 of 2 | Hunter Allen
• Episode 86 | Make Training Fun for Better Performance part 1 of 2 Hunter Allen

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• Leave a review (or share this episode)
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Frank Schwartz, known in the F3 community by his nickname "Dark Helmet," serves as the CEO (referred to as "Nant’an") of F3 Nation. F3 Nation is a free, peer-led movement designed to help men get fit, build bonds of friendship, and learn how to join forces to serve the community. As Nant'an, Frank leads the strategic vision and cultural stewardship of F3, which has grown into a global network supporting thousands of men across the U.S. and internationally.

Frank’s F3 journey began like so many others: a early morning workout, a goofy nickname, and a gut-level recognition that something life-changing was underway. Since then, he’s become a guiding voice in shaping F3 Nation: 100's of independently operating chapters around the USA and the World. He’s all-in on helping men become what they always wanted to be.

Key Ideas:

• If you change a man, you change the world
• Leave no man behind; leave no man where you found him
• No rules; only principals to guide men remaking themselves

The Starfish and The Spider -- Link to Amazon

Freed to Lead 2 - Link to Amazon

F3 Website -- F3Nation.com

1. Why is this happening…this lack of close friends among men?
2. What is the effect of not having good friends?
3. Is a close friend for a man the same as a close friend for a woman?
4. How does F3 work? What are the rules and methods that have been stolen and honed to craft the experience that served men? Why does it work so well, and I speak from personal experience.
5. What is to be gained from a men’s group like F3? Starting or joining one? What is the stair-step of benefits that are available to men who participate, who maybe are just looking for fitness, but if they want to change their lives more profoundly, they can get much more than mere fitness.

• Episode 122 | How to Stay Young or Die Laughing | Bill Gifford
• Episode 91 | Successful Aging | Dr Alan Castel

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• Leave a review (or share this episode)
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• Do you feel like you are drifting through life always waiting on something?
• Do you feel dissatisfied and unfulfilled?
• Is time flying by?

Drawing from his experiences as a solicitor, entrepreneur, and sports coach, Kelly examines the skills essential for overcoming challenges and achieving sustained success. Adrian joins me to discuss how to shift into living a big life, rather than merely a long one. Adrian says:

• Most of us don’t just want simple happiness; we want intensity. We want to feel that sense of existential urgency we get when we are engrossed in some meaningful project, when we know you are doing something important and good.
• Link to Amazon: Success Factor

Adrian Kelly’s Success Complex explores the hidden emotional and psychological burdens that often accompany outward success, especially for men. It challenges the traditional view that success—defined by wealth, career, and achievements—automatically leads to happiness. Instead, Kelly argues that many high-performing individuals are silently struggling with stress, disconnection, and a lack of purpose.

• Connection: A feeling of being linked to a higher power, nature, or the collective human experience.
• Purpose and Meaning: An ongoing quest to understand one's role and significance in the world.
• Transcendence: Experiences that go beyond the ordinary, often described as profound or mystical
• Inner Peace: Cultivating a sense of calm and contentment through practices like meditation, mindfulness, or prayer.

1. The Illusion of Success -- Success is often externally validated—money, titles, status—but it can mask deep dissatisfaction, anxiety, or emotional repression. Many men achieve success only to find it unfulfilling.
2. Performance-Based Identity -- Men often tie their self-worth to performance. When they stop achieving or face setbacks, they feel worthless or lost.
3. Emotional Suppression -- A major cost of the “success complex” is emotional disconnection. Men learn to suppress vulnerability, which leads to isolation and strained relationships.
4. The Masculine Mask -- the “mask” successful men wear to appear confident, in control, and stoic. Behind it, many feel burned out or uncertain.
5. Breaking the Pattern -- Healing begins by questioning the cultural narrative around masculinity and success. This includes:
   • Reconnecting with emotions
   • Seeking genuine relationships
   • Redefining success through internal values rather than external metrics
6. Authentic Living -- shift from achievement-driven living to values-driven living—embracing meaning, connection, and self-awareness.

• Activity (A): Engaging in purposeful actions…a means to an end
• Balance (B): Maintaining equilibrium between various life aspects.
• Congruence (C): Aligning actions and values to achieve a state where success is both sustained and sustaining

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Clinical Staff at Healthspan (gethealthspan.com)

Rich LaFountain, PhD - Health coach and science writer; his academic and research focus centers on metabolic health, cardiovascular physiology, and the optimization of physical performance through dietary and exercise interventions.

• Education: Ph.D. in Kinesiology from The Ohio State University; Bachelor of Science in Biology from the College at Brockport, State University of New York.
• Research: His academic and research focus centers on metabolic health, cardiovascular physiology, and the optimization of physical performance through dietary and exercise interventions.
• Current Role: Senior Scientist on Healthspan's clinical staff

Brandon Fell, MS - Wellness Coach, with expertise in keto nutrition, clinical research, and longevity science.

• Education: M.S. in Kinesiology (OSU, 2020); Dietetic Internship with rotations through Volek’s lab.
• Research: Graduate Research Associate in Dr. Jeff Volek’s ketogenic diet studies; major controlled trials.
• Current Role: Head of Metabolic Coaching at Healthspan

In my followup chat with Healthspan, we talk about Methylene Blue and Urolithin A, the darlings of the mitochondrial boosting party set.

Healthspan offers both supplements as a part of its suite of longevity and healthspan offerings.

Methylene Blue is very edgy, so I wanted to understand how Healthspan came to believe it was safe for their clients/patients (I take Methylene Blue)

Urolithin A is very new and somewhat controversial. I wanted to know how Healthspan came to believe it was effective (I take Urolithin A).

Some important notes:

• Webinar for healthspan onboarding
• gethealthspan.com
• MB
• What is it, and how it is used in medicine?
• Why does Healthspan believe it is a useful supplement to use chronically?
• What are the targeted symptoms and effects of MB? Dosing? Take regularly or only when symptoms arise? How long to feel an effect?
• Does it help athletic performance? (I found it makes exercise feel harder)
• What are the side effects to be cautious of?
• Who should not take MB?
• Urolithin A
• What is it, and why do people need to supplement it?
• Why would a bacteria post biotic signal the mitochondria to scavenge old mitochondria? Is it similar to an internally made chemical used for the same purpose?
• I’ve heard a lot of marketing of Urolithin A by the company that patented its delivery mechanism, and I’ve heard scientists say there is no real proof it works.
• What did Healthspan uncover to prompt it to offer it?
• What are the targeted symptoms and effects of UA? Dosing? Take regularly or only when symptoms arise? How long to feel an effect?
• Does it help athletic performance?
• What are the side effects to be cautious of?
• Who should not take UA?

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Clinical Staff at Healthspan (gethealthspan.com)

Rich LaFountain, PhD - Health coach and science writer; his academic and research focus centers on metabolic health, cardiovascular physiology, and the optimization of physical performance through dietary and exercise interventions.

• Education: Ph.D. in Kinesiology from The Ohio State University; Bachelor of Science in Biology from the College at Brockport, State University of New York.
• Research: His academic and research focus centers on metabolic health, cardiovascular physiology, and the optimization of physical performance through dietary and exercise interventions.
• Current Role: Senior Scientist on Healthspan's clinical staff

Brandon Fell, MS - Wellness Coach, with expertise in keto nutrition, clinical research, and longevity science.

• Education: M.S. in Kinesiology (OSU, 2020); Dietetic Internship with rotations through Volek’s lab.
• Research: Graduate Research Associate in Dr. Jeff Volek’s ketogenic diet studies; major controlled trials.
• Current Role: Head of Metabolic Coaching at Healthspan

Blood testing isn't perfect but it's one of the best tools available to shine a light into the black box of your personal physiology to see how your body is doing: compared to other healthy people and compared to yourself over time as you age and implement health and longevity interventions. Healthspan now offers an online Longevity Pro Panel blood testing and analysis service to provide expert guidance into lifestyle-based health enhance, and as a gateway into more aggressive interventions to recover lost athleticism, extend healthspan, and maybe even life a long healthy life.

Healthspan comprehensively analyzes pivotal longevity biomarkers to help you optimize your metabolic and cellular health. Examining over 100 biomarkers, Healthspan identifies health insights, enabling personalized recommendations for a successful longevity journey.

Some important notes:

• Webinar for healthspan onboarding
• gethealthspan.com
• What is Healthspan, and why does it offer the blood testing / evaluation service?
• Blood panel is a big part, but what else is needed to fully assess biological age status (identify areas for improvement)? BP, DEXA: bone, lean mass, visceral fat, VO2Max, grip strength (bar hang time), etc.
• Reliability of blood tests for identifying “optimal” vs. “problems”? wide ranges based on population “normal” (40% obesity rate), different labs/procedures, test result variability, time of day test taken, workouts / foods eating in proximity to testing, blood is only a proxy (not the same thing as organs)
• Personal trends vs. “vs. normal” vs. low ACM? Or centenarian typical blood marker ranges?
• Need to look at multiple blood markers and understand context to interpret blood test results
• Example of a blood panel review session (using Joe Lavelle's data)

• Episode 141 | Your Blood Tests R...

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Author of over 30 books on running & endurance

Matt Fitzgerald, a certified sports nutritionist, started running on April 19, 1983, one day after watching his father complete the Boston Marathon. This began a lifelong love affair with the sport. Having completed 50 marathons of his own, authored more than 30 books, cofounded the world’s largest online provider of endurance training resources, and coached dozens of his fellow runners to their goals, Matt lives by the motto, “Let your passion, not your ability, decide how far you go.” That’s why he created Dream Run Camp–to enable runners of all abilities who share his passion for the sport to see just how far they can go.

How do you know what you are capable of doing if you don't try? Matt Fitzgerald trains athletes of all ages, including older athletes, but he doesn't have "older athlete training plans". Matt says everyone has limiters...you have to choose to go at them or around them, or let them define you. Older athletes often self-limit themselves to play it safe but with careful attention to building up capacity, older athletes are proving themselves to be capable of more speed, more strength and more endurance than ever before.

Our talk today is about how can the older athlete avoid settling for being older...how to find compensations and motivations and expert tricks for retaining or regaining the athletic capacity of yesteryear.

Some important notes:

• Don’t let the expectations of declining athletic capacity turn. Into a self fulfilling prophecy
• …”not every man truly lives”
• You have to push the envelope regularly or the envelope shrinks in on you
• Focus on the big rocks: training hard frequently (finding your own way that works for you), keeping the joy in it, setting and reaching for big goals )
• Everyone has limiters. They are unique to the individual and they change over time. You have to treat the training process as an open ended experiment. You have to identify the limiters and then work towards or around them. But find out what they really are not what you think they are because you are older.
• Keep moving. But use different forms of movement to spread the load.
• Scale back the volume but maintain the intensity
• Treat “niggles” with care. Incremental Retreat — backed progressively to be careful without being fearful and losing big chunks of fitness.
• Training as treatment - ryan whited. Motion is lotion.
• Disadvantages AND advantages of being older: youth is wasted on the young.
• Compensate for losing some athletic capacity by tightening down the lifestyle that you couldn’t bother to do when younger. Diet, sleep, better training protocols.
• Diet: eat enough of a wide range of whole foods with enough of all macros. Avoid processed foods.
• Avoid reductionist rabbit holes.
• Supplements: case by case. Most people can benefit from: fish oil , iron (if you need it), creatine
• Cross training: lifting weights, physical skill acquisition, balance and coordination, don’t stop playing
• Periodization is a good practice. Weekly / monthly / seasonal cycles

• Stronger, Faster, Older