What can a legendary children’s book editor teach us about writing, research, and trusting young readers?

In this episode of Nonfiction Kidlit Craft Conversations, host Kirsten W. Larson interviews Nancy Hudgins, author of Books Good Enough for You: The Storied Life of Ursula Nordstrom, to uncover the hidden story behind one of the most influential figures in children’s publishing. Ursula Nordstrom helped shape classics like Charlotte’s Web, Goodnight Moon, and Where the Wild Things Are, but her own story has remained largely untold for older readers until now.

Nancy shares how primary source research—including letters, archival documents, and even surprising legal records—revealed new insights into Nordstrom’s life, including details never before published. You’ll hear how these discoveries shaped the book, why middle grade was the perfect format, and what today’s writers can learn from Nordstrom’s fearless approach to storytelling. Whether you’re a children’s writer, educator, librarian, or book lover, this conversation offers powerful insights into:

• How to use primary sources to deepen nonfiction storytelling
• The art of revision and editorial feedback
• Why respecting young readers leads to better books
• The ongoing importance of freedom to read

Plus: behind-the-scenes stories of beloved classics like Goodnight Moon and the creative risks that changed children’s literature forever.

00:00 The Shocking Discovery: Ursula Nordstrom’s Untold Story

01:00 Welcome + About Nancy Hudgins & Her Book

02:00 Why Write About Ursula Nordstrom?

04:00 Why This Story Matters Now (Censorship & Kidlit Today)

06:00 Why Middle Grade? Choosing the Right Audience

09:00 Diving into Primary Sources: Letters, Archives & Surprises

12:30 Research Rabbit Holes & Unexpected Finds

16:00 What to Include (and What to Leave Out)

20:00 What Kids Can Learn from Ursula Nordstrom

25:30 The Story Behind Goodnight Moon

30:30 Research Advice for Nonfiction Writers