Ted is joined by Alice Florence Orr of Podcast Review, who also just so happens to be a novelist. Her work has been featured in publications including Extra Teeth, The Independent, Scottish Review, Barley Magazine, and The Dillydoun Review. She was awarded The Sloan Prize in 2021 and was shortlisted for the Scottish Book Trust’s New Writers Award in 2023.

And while Ted can attest Alice is a great person to talk with about podcasting, this conversation centers on the two works of fiction she has in progress, in particular a novel called The Nobody. What started as a thought experiment exploring the headspace of a young woman choosing to defend a disgraced actor has become a multi-POV story wrestling with the alluring, the confusing, and the toxic aspects of Hollywood.

Alice and Ted talk about overheard conversations as a writing device, the challenge of sustaining compelling plots, and balancing market realities with staying true to your voice and vision. They also discuss how the act of writing itself is the only thing a writer can truly control and the wisdom of attaching your identity to the title of “artist” or “writer” to begin with.

Learn more about Alice and her work at aliceflorenceorr.com.

Working Drafts episodes and info for requesting transcripts as well as more details about Ted and his books are available on his website, thetedfox.com.

Ted is joined by Rob Harvilla, the host of the podcast 60 Songs That Explain the ’90s and a senior staff writer at The Ringer. A professional rock critic for 20-plus years, Rob has had stops at the Village Voice, SPIN, Deadspin, and various other alt-weeklies.

His podcast, which has now moved beyond the 1990s to consider the music of the 2000s, was the basis for his 2023 book 60 Songs That Explain the ’90s. And as a regular listener of the show, Ted knows that in making it, Rob pens scripts that see him produce the same number of words as a novel roughly every eight to 10 episodes. It’s a writing feat that is equal parts distinctive and impressive—which of course meant Ted wanted to talk with him about it.

Together, they discuss the premise and evolution of the podcast, how Rob approaches picking songs and artists to feature, and his surprise at how pieces of his personal life have found their way into his scripts. Using Miranda Lambert’s “The House That Built Me” as an example, he also gives us a look inside the shaping of an episode.

He and Ted then dive into the relationship between lyrics and the vague legal requirements Rob has to meet to include clips of songs on the show as well as the challenge of not repeating himself across such a large body of written work. But they save perhaps the most important question for last:

What does the term “classic rock” actually mean in 2025?

Episode Links:

• Rob’s Website
• Rob’s Podcast

Working Drafts episodes and info for requesting transcripts as well as more details about Ted and his books are available on his website, thetedfox.com.

Ted is joined by Dave Cohen, a writer, comedian, founding member of the Comedy Store Players, and one of the most respected teachers of comedy writing in the UK. A former standup comedian, he has written for radio and TV shows and is an eight-time BAFTA winner for his songs for the BBC hit Horrible Histories.

Dave is also the author of the Barry Goldman novels, a series set in the world of the 1970s and ’80s British alternative comedy scene. The third and final book comes out in January, which means that the writing challenges of finishing the series are fresh in his mind even as he thinks about what he’d like to do next.

That’s an interesting time to talk with any writer. Yet for Dave, who’s spent 40 years in comedy but always had an interest in being a novelist, it represents a particularly notable inflection point.

He talks with Ted about the evolution of his fiction over the course of the three Barry Goldman books, the difference between writing comedy and pretty much everything else, and not knowing whether he wants to write more novels. That leads to a frank conversation between the two of them about navigating self-doubt and staying open to the new things that might fulfill us creatively.

Episode Links:

• Stand Up, Barry Goldman (Book 1)
• Barry Goldman: The Wilderness Years (Book 2)
• Dave’s Website

Working Drafts episodes and info for requesting transcripts as well as more details about Ted and his books are available on his website, thetedfox.com.