Grief is not a problem to be solved but an honest journey; a human response to love and loss — and it matters deeply to God. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne share from their own experiences of grief, welcome guests who open up about profound loss, and explore what it looks like to stay with someone who is mourning — without minimizing, without rushing, and without looking away.

"Jesus wept." — John 11:35

In this episode:

• What grief actually feels like — including the unwitnessed losses others don't always name
• Pattie and Paige share personally from their own stories of loss
• Guests share their experience of profound grief and what helped them carry it
• Why lament is one of the most profound expressions of faith — not a failure of it
• Practical ways to show up for someone in grief long after others have moved on

Resources mentioned:

• A Grief Observed — C.S. Lewis — available wherever books are sold
• A Prayer in the Night — Tish Harrison Warren — available wherever books are sold
• Grief: Finding Hope Again — Paul David Tripp — available wherever books are sold
• 3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
• Psalm 22; Psalm 56:8; Psalm 88; John 11:35; Romans 8:18–26; Revelation 21:4; 1 Thessalonians 4:13 —biblegateway.com

For Further Support:

If this episode surfaced grief you've been carrying alone — old or new, consider reaching out to a trusted friend, pastor, or licensed counselor. Walking with someone through grief is not a handoff. Getting support is not a failure of faith.

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A note before you listen: this episode covers depression and suicidal ideation honestly and directly. If you are in a vulnerable place, please listen with someone you trust nearby.

Depression is not merely sadness. It is something darker and more stubborn — a fierce darkness that touches the body, the mind, relationships, and the soul. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne name what depression actually feels like from the inside, welcome a guest who shares their own story of walking through it, and explore what it looks like to stay with someone in the darkness — without panic, without platitudes, and without looking away.

"Into the fierce darkness of depression comes the piercing light of the world."

In this episode:

• What depression actually feels like — and why it is not a thinking problem or a faith problem
• What Scripture shows us about depression through the lives of Moses, Elijah, David, and Jesus
• A guest shares their personal story of depression and what helped them carry it
• How to walk alongside someone in depression — including how to ask directly about suicidal thoughts
• Practical guidance on what to do if someone you love is in crisis

Resources mentioned:

• Depression: Looking Up from the Stubborn Darkness — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
• Spurgeon's Sorrows — Zack Eswine — available wherever books are sold
• Descriptions and Prescriptions: A Biblical Perspective on Diagnosis and Medications — Mike Emlet — available wherever books are sold
• “Is Suicide an Unforgivable Sin?” –Derek Thomas, Ligonier Ministries, https://learn.ligonier.org/qas/is-suicide-an-unforgiveable-sin
• 3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
• Psalm 22; Psalm 31; Psalm 88; Matthew 26:36–46 — biblegateway.com

If you or someone you love is in crisis:

Asking about suicide does not plant the idea — it is an act of love. If someone you know is in danger, do not walk away.

• 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline — call or text 988 (save this number in your phone)
• Crisis Text Line — text HOME to 741741 (mental health crisis support)
• If there is immediate danger, call 911 and stay with them until help arrives

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Guilt says I did something wrong. Shame says I am something wrong. They feel different, work differently, and need to be heard differently — and both are far more common than we talk about. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne get personal about what guilt and shame have felt like in their own lives, welcome a guest who shares their own story, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone carrying weight they haven't been able to say out loud — to anyone.

"Those who look to him are radiant with joy; their faces will never be ashamed." — Psalm 34:5

In this episode:

• The difference between guilt and shame — and why it matters
• Pattie and Paige share honestly from their own experiences of both
• A guest opens up about carrying guilt and shame and what shifted
• What Scripture says about God's movement toward the guilty and ashamed
• How to walk alongside someone in either place without trying to fix or minimize

Resources mentioned:

• Shame Interrupted — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
• I Just Can't Forgive Myself — Robert D. Jones (booklet) — ccef.org
• 3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources.
• Psalm 34:4–5; Romans 5:8; Isaiah 30:15; Luke 15; John 13:1–17; Ephesians 4:15–16 — biblegateway.com

For further support:

If this episode stirred something you've been carrying alone, you don't have to keep carrying it that way. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, counselor, or friend. Getting help is not a failure of faith.

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• If this episode resonated, share it with someone and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more people find the show.