Rolf Potts — Author of Vagabonding — The real upgrade isn’t making more money—it’s becoming “time rich” (and travel is the fastest way to learn it)

In this uncut conversation we discuss:
• Why watching his grandparents age taught Rolf that time—not money—is the real currency
• How “traveling in the local economy” leads to deeper experiences (and costs far less)
• The #1 mistake entrepreneurs make on the road: over-structuring every day
• Family vagabonding: roadschooling, routines, and why kids can make travel more human
• “Walk until your day becomes interesting”: the travel mindset you can bring home

00:00 - Why time is richer than money (and the painful moment that proved it)
01:16 - Retirement is not guaranteed: the trap of “work now, live later”
02:10 - Travel isn’t a luxury product: how to go without being “rich”
03:21 - The missing “why” of travel (and what Vagabonding set out to fix)
05:01 - 8 months on the road that felt like 10 years: why travel stretches time
06:26 - Tim Ferriss, driven entrepreneurs, and reframing success as time wealth
09:00 - Redefining wealth: family, community, and what money can’t touch
12:21 - Why travel makes time slow down (and how home life fits into the balance)
16:44 - Travel for entrepreneurs: know your options, not your destiny
19:35 - Travel as a “university”: negotiation, creativity, and new business lenses
22:16 - Traveling with kids: roadschooling, structure, and raising a global human
29:16 - Favorite places & “danger”: why reputation rarely matches reality
40:49 - What travel ultimately teaches: presence, attention, and how to really live

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