In this episode of Beyond the Desk, Mark Thomas is joined by Sally Peace, Chief of Staff and HR Director at Apollo, to discuss an unconventional career that has spanned actuarial science, catastrophe modelling, operations, business planning, HR and executive leadership.

Sally shares how embracing opportunities, rather than following a rigid career plan, helped shape her journey into one of the most unique leadership roles in the insurance market.

The conversation explores leadership, company culture, mentoring, diversity, flexible working, AI's impact on talent, and why saying "yes" before you feel completely ready can be one of the most powerful career decisions you'll ever make.

Whether you're leading teams today or aspiring to leadership tomorrow, this episode is packed with practical advice and honest reflections.

• Why you don't need a five or ten-year career plan.
• How sideways career moves often create the best leaders.
• The difference between management and leadership.
• Why confidence grows after saying yes not before.
• How Apollo approaches culture and flexible working.
• The role HR should really play in shaping a business.
• Why communication is leadership's most important skill.
• How AI is changing talent development in insurance.
• Why mentoring and coaching can accelerate your growth.

Careers don't have to follow a straight line embrace opportunities that stretch you.

Great leaders listen more than they speak.

Culture isn't created by HR alone it's everyone's responsibility.

Flexible working works best when it's built on trust rather than rigid policies.

Confidence comes from doing difficult things, not waiting until you feel ready.

AI won't replace great people but it will change the skills organisations need.

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