Feeling lonely around people can be hard to explain, especially when you seem confident, outgoing, or connected. Apollo joins chaplain educator Rick Capezza to explore why being around others doesn’t always mean feeling known, and what it takes to build deeper relationships.In Episode 2 of Amor Immortalem, Rick draws on more than a decade of hospice chaplaincy while Apollo shares his experience of hiding his true self behind an outwardly confident personality. Together, they explore the unexpected value of small talk, why friendship takes practice, and how wanting a perfect community can keep us from building a real one.00:00 – Welcome to Amor Immortalem02:00 – Building a community for open spiritual conversations05:00 – Letting go of the need to know everything08:00 – Loneliness and the first steps toward vulnerability09:00 – Why real community takes time and practice11:00 – Learning to appreciate small talk17:00 – Feeling isolated behind a confident personality23:00 – Solitude, divorce, and discovering what you need25:00 – Apollo’s loss of faith and changing view of God28:00 – Ego, gratitude, and spiritual growth32:00 – Staying present instead of living in the past or future34:00 – Radical acceptance and unmet expectations36:00 – Self-forgiveness and the fear of being loved40:00 – Human first, chaplain second: listening with presence43:00 – Breathing, pausing, and sitting with discomfort48:00 – Spiritual practice and living your life as a prayer52:00 – Experiencing God through presence in nature54:00 – Rick’s work with the Spiritual Care Collaborative58:00 – Spiritual formation through action and reflection1:01:00 – Why saying “I love you” feels vulnerable