AI has moved from experiments into real decisions about jobs, health and public services. So who is actually accountable when a system is unlawful, unsafe or just wrong?In this episode Emmanuel Ogungbemi sits down with Dr. Nils Koesters, data scientist, technology law specialist and founder of GovernPASS AI, to work out who should lead AI governance and how to make that accountability real instead of performative.In this episode:• Why responsibility gets scattered across engineers, lawyers, data protection and procurement, and nobody owns the whole system• The difference between having a framework and actually governing a system• Why governance has to start before deployment, not after the money is spent• What lawyers bring to AI governance, and where a purely legal sign-off falls apart• Why legal sign-off without technical evidence is confidence, not assurance#TheFutureState #AI #LegalTech #Leadership #Technology #AIGovernance #LawAndTech***⭐ Enjoyed this? Follow the show and leave a rating & review. It genuinely helps new listeners find us.🎙 Listen & follow everywhere: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheFutureStatePodcast · Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033x4jrkPSEsFoSqYRfh0u · Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-future-state/id6784797723 · Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.co.uk/podcasts/cb43f71a-65bc-4495-a5b2-dfc0a4f696fa/the-future-state📱 Join The Future State on WhatsApp — WhatsApp Channel: https://thefuturestate.net/j/channel · WhatsApp Community: https://thefuturestate.net/j/community📨 Prefer email? Free Future State Briefing + the weekly newsletter: https://thefuturestate.net/subscribe🔁 Share this episode with one person who should hear it.CHAPTERS0:00 Introduction1:19 Who Owns AI Governance?3:04 Why This Question Is Urgent Now6:47 Deep Dive: Beyond Frameworks & Box-Ticking9:15 Lawyers vs Engineers in AI Governance22:51 Leadership Lens: The Full Stack Lead29:43 Integration vs Validation: Keeping Them Separate34:14 From Governance to Assurance EvidenceTAGSAI governance, AI accountability, legal tech, AI leadership, data engineering, technology law, AI compliance, AI regulation, responsible AI, AI deployment, human oversight, AI risk, The Future State, Emmanuel Ogungbemi, AI ethicsWhen an AI system goes wrong, everyone points at someone else's piece of it. That's exactly what we're untangling today. If this is useful, do three quick things: follow the show so next week lands in your feed, leave a rating and a short review, and send this to one person who's about to sign off on an AI system. And grab the free briefing at thefuturestate.net.

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