What if some of what we have accepted as “church” is not actually what Jesus intended? In this episode, I sit down with Apostle Isaac Watson, author of The Church Jesus Envisioned, for a thought-provoking conversation about God’s design for the Church and what may be missing from the way we do ministry today.

We unpack apostolic ministry and the fivefold, including why apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers were designed to function together rather than compete for position. We also challenge personality-driven church models, discuss the importance of building healthy systems and empowering people, and explore why the Church should be developing believers who influence the world outside of its walls.

In This Episode:

• What Jesus actually envisioned for His Church
• Apostolic ministry and the purpose of the fivefold
• Why fivefold ministry is about function, not hierarchy
• The danger of personality-driven church culture
• Women in ministry and the biblical context behind common objections
• Building healthy systems that empower people
• Why fruit should speak louder than titles

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