He still leads a church. And he says religion itself can become one of the most destructive idols there is.

Dr. Sas sits down with Derek W. Mason — Christian Transformation Expert, pastor, and author of Embracing Our Full Victory in Christ — for a conversation most church leaders won't have publicly. Derek opens up about the collapse that nearly cost him his life, the four words God spoke that changed everything, and the emergency phone call that forced him into his first deliverance. Along the way: what churches still won't admit, the real difference between spiritual influence and possession, and why identity in Christ—not religious performance—is where lasting freedom starts.

If any part of this conversation names something you've felt but never had words for, you're not the only one.

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