I'm fired up to have THE Mike Dugan on the SCRAP! Retired FDNY Captain on Ladder 123, longtime fire service instructor, one of the greatest storytellers in the fire service, and someone who has spent decades pushing firefighters to be better at this job. There's a LOT to get into with this one!

Mike has been around the fire service for more than 50 years, and if you've ever heard him teach or speak, you know he doesn't hold back when it comes to his passion for the job!

We dig into Mike's storied career, the current state of the fire service, and what more than five decades of experience have taught him. Through the lens of time and reflection, we'll get his perspective on the direction the fire service is heading, what we're getting right, what we're getting wrong, and what needs to change.

We also revisit Mike's 2011 FDIC keynote speech and explore what's changed in the 15 years since. There's no shortage of ground to cover, and I'm looking forward to hearing Mike's take on it all!

Mike also has a unique connection to one of the most unforgettable days in our nation's history. On September 11, 2001, he was photographed hanging an American flag from a light pole near Ground Zero, a powerful moment captured amid the devastation.

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