In this week’s episode of We Are Out of Office, your co-hosts Veteran Television Executive Producer Nikki T and Bestselling Author Jayne Allen clock in with a conversation that moves from sports heartbreak to reality TV betrayal, Broadway wins, Black business brilliance, and the emotional labor of learning when to let people go.The episode opens with the ladies doing what they do best: turning on their out-of-office replies and catching up like the public girlfriends they are. Jayne is still in mourning over Duke’s devastating NCAA loss to UConn — a loss so painful it reopened a very specific 1999 college-era wound. Nikki, meanwhile, is fully tapped into the Bravo discourse and gives Jayne a live update on the latest Summer House chaos, friendship betrayal, and why the girls are currently riding at dawn for Sierra.From there, the conversation moves through Black excellence, Women’s History Month, the WNBA, music, natural hair, vacation dreams, AI theft, disappointing public figures, and the healing work of learning to protect your peace without explanation.I See You GirlJayne’s I See You Girl goes to Megan Thee Stallion, whose latest era continues to be one of expansion, reinvention, and undeniable elevation. This week, Jayne spotlights Megan’s historic Broadway run in Moulin Rouge, where she is playing the role of Zidler — a role traditionally played by a man — making her the first woman to take it on in the production. Even with a brief health scare caused by exhaustion, Meg remains a force, and Jayne gives her flowers for continuing to level up in public, in real time, and on her own terms.Nikki’s I See You Girl goes to Claudia Goldin, the Nobel Prize-winning economist whose volunteer work helped the WNBA Players Association secure one of the biggest labor wins in sports history. From salary increases to better benefits and long-overdue structural correction, Claudia’s work reminds us that math, rigor, and advocacy can absolutely change lives — especially for women whose labor has long been undervalued.What We’re On Right NowNikki is currently on music — specifically a run of artists who are making her life better in real time. She shouts out RAYE, whose new album has only deepened her admiration, and also puts listeners onto Naomi Scott’s album Fallen to Grace, a polished, soulful, pop-forward project with texture, restraint, and a boutique-coffeehouse kind of cool. For Nikki, this is music to drive to, live with, and return to.Jayne is currently on daily washing for natural hair — a full-on experiment inspired by the idea that Black textured hair may thrive with more moisture than many of us have been taught to give it. She talks about washing, finger-detangling, trying products, and building a new relationship with her hair in real time. It’s part beauty journey, part discipline, part curiosity, and fully a reminder that sometimes growth requires unlearning.Mindin’ My Black BusinessJayne spotlights Amina Jillil, the luxury shoe designer whose sculptural, hyper-feminine, instantly recognizable footwear has become a fashion force. From oversized bows to statement gems to thigh-high leather boots that may or may not become a post-Duke-loss consolation gift to herself, Jayne celebrates Amina’s rise from dancer to global designer and the vision it took to build a brand that feels both glamorous and unmistakable.Nikki highlights Finger Lakes Treehouse, founded by Daryl and Patrice Maxam, a Black-owned hospitality concept that grew from an Airbnb room rental into a full experience-driven getaway brand. With treehouses, cabins, Airstreams, nature, fire pits, and a whole different pace of living, the property becomes a symbol of what can happen when you start small, stay consistent, and build toward something bigger.Jesus Take the WheelNikki’s Jesus Take the Wheel goes to the bizarre and deeply troubling story of a white influencer who allegedly used AI to put her face onto the body of a Black woman in a tennis-stadium photo and then posted it as her own. The conversation becomes a larger meditation on theft, digital fraud, entitlement, and the exhausting familiarity of seeing Black creators and Black women treated as raw material for somebody else’s image.From there, the ladies also touch on the disappointment of public figures like Chilli and Nick Cannon, using those examples to ask a bigger question: what do you do when people you once rooted for reveal themselves to be out of alignment with your values?Jayne’s answer is simple: vote with your feet.Health & HealingThis week’s Health & Healing centers on disappointment fatigue, boundaries, and the emotional maturity of knowing when not to save people.Nikki reflects on the reality that some people do not want to be saved, corrected, or called in — and exhausting yourself trying to do so only drains your own peace. Jayne builds on that by naming something many Black women are actively unlearning: the idea that...
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