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  • 031: Family Watchmaking Bloodlines and Sterling Silver Dials with Eugene Stohlman
    2026/11/03

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    David Newman sits down with Eugene Stohlman, founder of E. Stohlman Watches and head watchmaker for the Baltimore Watch Company, to explore a life where horology is truly in the family tree. Eugene shares how hanging out in his grandfather's bare-bones, 125-square-foot shop under a staircase inspired him to leave theater arts and attend watchmaking school in Illinois. He breaks down the art of designing vintage-inspired 1950s step-bezel cases, working with delicate natural stone dials like jade and malachite, and using rhodium-plated sterling silver to create a lasting patina. From starting Maryland Watchworks during the pandemic to restoring a Civil War era family fusee pocket watch, Eugene explains why micro-brands lead the industry in creative freedom and why buying what you love is the ultimate rule of collecting.


    ⏱️ Timestamps


    00:01 : Watchmaking in the Bloodline

    • Eugene shares how his grandfather launched The Watch Pocket in 1970 under a staircase with no AC or bathroom.
    • Writing a 6th-grade paper about becoming a watchmaker before studying theater in college.

    02:14 : From Gem City to Vintage Master

    • Attending watchmaking school in Quincy, Illinois to master vintage mechanics up to the 1970s.
    • Expanding into modern Swiss techniques through specialized AWCI courses.

    03:41 : Launching in a Pandemic

    • Starting Maryland Watchworks in April 2020 and delivering Amazon packages to fund the shop.
    • Assembling custom MD1 movements based on classic 2824 movement architecture.

    05:08 : The 1950s Design Aesthetic

    • Launching E. Stohlman Watches to bring back 1950s step bezels, sculpted lugs, and proportion play.
    • Utilizing rhodium-plated sterling silver cases that develop a rich patina over years of wear.

    10:07 : The Fragile Art of Stone Dials

    • The delicate process of working with jade, malachite, and agate dials that shatter under improper pressure.
    • Why natural stone variations make every single piece in a limited run completely unique.

    12:18 : Joining the Baltimore Watch Company

    • Partnering with Alan Sao to serve as head watchmaker and VP of Brand Development.
    • Combining brand storytelling with technical watchmaking to improve crown design and ease of service.

    16:42 : Micro-Brand Trends and Sizing

    • Why independent makers act as the R&D testing ground for major luxury houses.
    • The industry-wide shift toward smaller 36mm cases and unisex collecting habits.

    26:36 : The Evolution of Watch Fairs

    • Why intimate shows like District Time and Gotham Watch Fair foster real human connections.
    • How collector behavior shifted from long pre-orders to wanting to walk out with a watch on the wrist.

    30:40 : Civil War Heirlooms and Personal Grails

    • Restoring a 5th great-grandfather's 18k gold fusee drive pocket watch from the Civil War.
    • Fixing an 18k gold Baume & Mercier with a lapis dial as his first post-school purchase.

    35:26 : Finding Your Own Taste

    • Why new collectors should ignore investment hype and buy what they actually enjoy wearing.
    • The importance of attending live shows to try pieces on the wrist and meet the makers.

    A great watch is more than an instrument; it is a living piece of mechanical history on your wrist.

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  • 030: Ben's Watch Club with Ben Arthur
    2026/10/27

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    David interviews Ben Arthur of Ben's Watch Club, In The Loop, and the In The Loop newsletter about building a trusted voice in affordable watches and why the hobby doesn't require luxury spending. Ben explains how he pivoted from menswear content after receiving fashion watches, then started making honest reviews in response to "suspect" influencer coverage; he also briefly ran a one-to-one YouTube coaching business before focusing fully on his watch channels. They discuss the hard work behind channel growth, the motivational impact of a WatchCrunch "love letter," and why a follow-up Spaghetti Scametti parody watch is unlikely. Ben says he owns few luxury watches, critiques low-quality offerings from brands like Sekonda and Fossil, argues Seiko is moving upmarket via discontinuations and scarcity marketing, outlines when limited editions feel justified, and describes how Chinese brands evolved from clones to more original designs, with microbrand highlights like Vaer, Nezumi, Zelos, and Merkur. He closes with advice to avoid debt and ignore pressure to "level up" to Rolex, emphasizing that great watches exist at lower prices.

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  • 029: The Lucky Loupe with Ryan Thomas
    2026/10/20

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    David Newman interviews Ryan Thomas of The Lucky Loupe (luckyloupe.com), a high-volume vintage watch buyer/seller/trader with over 17,000 eBay sales, about how early exposure to his father's American pocket watches and later interest sparked by Heuer dash timers for his British racing green Triumph TR3 led him into vintage watches. Thomas explains how flipping hobbies evolved into a full-time business after COVID, prompting him to leave construction project management. He shares vintage-watch guidance: build knowledge through reading, handle watches in person, and learn from trusted NAWCC connections; reputation and dealer trust heavily influence pricing and quick flips. They discuss cash-driven show culture, sourcing via shows and inbound offers, using specialized independent watchmakers, defining "vintage" (often '80s/'90s, plexiglass feel), and favorite categories/brands (chronographs, divers; Omega, Rolex; A. Lange Cabaret), plus perspectives on Gruen, Bulova, and vintage Seiko and advice to buy from non-watch sellers to avoid pieced-together examples.

    00:00 Meet Ryan Thomas
    00:55 Early Watch Spark
    01:50 From Hobby To Hustle
    02:48 First Vintage Favorites
    04:00 Going Full Time
    04:44 Vintage Watch Basics
    06:42 NAWCC Show Breakthrough
    09:15 Defining Vintage Today
    10:34 What Sells And Why
    12:02 Flipping And Dealer Edge
    14:59 Cash Rules The Shows
    16:46 Reputation Matters
    17:23 Being Young in NAWCC
    18:47 Building a Watchmaker Network
    19:53 Gruen Art Deco Gems
    21:52 Bulova Design Golden Age
    22:55 Vintage Seiko Picks
    25:23 Where He Sources Watches
    26:41 Estate Sale Reality Check
    27:43 Advice for New Collectors
    29:29 Where to Find Lucky Loupe

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  • 028: Rock Stars, Radioactive Dials, and the Art of the Watch Bracelet with Hilary Jay
    2026/10/13

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    Hilary Jay joins David Newman to discuss her wild journey from wearing heirloom diamond watches in college to cofounding Maximal Art, a brand that pioneered the "watch bracelet" and reached 2,000 stores worldwide. Hilary shares how a chance connection with the Thompson Twins in 1980s London turned a hobby of making collages into a global business that adorned stars like Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson. She pulls back the curtain on the "Watch Bracelet" phenomenon, revealing how her designs ended up in prestigious museums like the Louvre and the Philadelphia Museum of Art. The conversation takes a dramatic turn as Hilary recounts the "Great Radium Recall," where OSHA with Geiger counters discovered her vintage dead stock dials were radioactive. From celebrity parties in Paris to navigating high stakes product recalls, Hilary illustrates how a career in design is like a game of "Barrel of Monkeys," where every unique pivot leads to the next adventure.

    ⏱️ Timestamps

    00:00 : Early Connections

    • Hilary remembers wearing Victorian diamond watches from her grandmother as bracelets in college.
    • She explains why it never mattered if those early watches actually worked as long as they were beautiful jewelry.

    02:26 : Meeting John Wind

    • How a college friendship built on date nights making collages turned into a global business partnership.
    • The journey from art school in England to finding unique pieces at the Bricklane Flea Market.

    03:51 : The Thompson Twins

    • The unexpected phone call from Alana of the Thompson Twins that launched a jewelry company.
    • Delivering handmade pieces to Paris and partying all night with 1980s rock stars.

    06:06 : The Jewelry Collage

    • Discovering watch dials in bags of junk and embedding them in resin with pearls and chains.
    • How Maximal Art became known for jewelry collage and produced thousands of unique pieces.

    08:45 : The Watch Bracelet

    • Finding a box of non-functional watches from a lawyer with a side gig in watch repair.
    • The birth of the watch bracelet which eventually landed in the collection of the Louvre.

    10:25 : Influencer Marketing

    • Using old fashioned PR to get jewelry onto album covers and into the hands of Michael Jackson.
    • Why giving away pieces to celebrities like Janet Jackson and Patti LaBelle was the ultimate growth strategy.

    12:51 : The Functionality Shift

    • Transitioning from purely cosmetic pieces to watches that actually served a horological purpose.
    • The challenge of finding manufacturers and the risk of being knocked off by your own factory.

    20:28 : The Radium Crisis

    • The terrifying moment OSHA showed up at a retail store with Geiger counters to test her jewelry.
    • Executing a massive recall across Neiman Marcus and Saks after discovering dead stock dials were radioactive.

    25:55 : Advice for Makers

    • Hilary shares the reality of the trade show market and the challenge of building a business today.
    • Why finding your bliss is more important than chasing big financial returns in a small enterprise.

    30:44 : The Barrel of Monkeys

    • Viewing a multifaceted career as a series of iterations that hook into one another.
    • Why the ability to iterate and use design thinking is the secret to a long and interesting career.

    A watch does not have to work to be a masterpiece, but it probably should not be radioactive.
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    33 分
  • 027: From Richemont Luxury to Detroit Soul with Brandon Little
    2026/10/06
    Get the FREE WatchSmarts Beginner Buyer's Guide Brandon Little joins David Newman to share a legendary 35 year career that began in the vanished flea markets of New York City and reached the absolute heights of Swiss luxury. From designing for Dunhill and Cartier to serving as the Chief Creative Officer for Fossil and Shinola, Brandon has mastered the art of storytelling through mechanical objects. He explores the transition from half million dollar high horology at JLC to the fun, expressive world of fashion watches, eventually leading to the launch of his own modular brand, ARTEFKT. By applying high luxury methodology to a serviceable and rugged design, Brandon is redefining what a modern timepiece can be. Whether discussing the beer garden culture of Baselworld or the technical struggle of manufacturing a perfect leather strap, Brandon reminds us that watches are the ultimate signifiers of our own personal milestones. ⏱️ Timestamps 01:05 : Introducing a Design Legend David introduces Brandon as a guest who uniquely balances experience in big brands, micro-brands, and design.Setting the stage for a professional journey that spans from New York City to the heart of Switzerland. 01:49 : The Flea Market Spark Brandon recalls the amazing weekend flea markets on 7th Avenue that sparked his lifelong love for watches.How a background in metalsmithing and men's clothing led him to purchase his first vintage pocket watch. 02:55 : The Richemont Creative Academy How a guy from southern Louisiana ended up designing for global giants like Cartier, Panerai, and Van Cleef & Arpels. The pivotal move to Milan that shifted Brandon's career fully into the world of luxury watch and jewelry design. 04:36 : The Automotive History of Dunhill Exploring the incredible archive of Dunhill watches and their unique slanted designs for easy viewing while driving.Why many vintage Dunhill mechanical movements are undervalued hidden gems worth searching for on eBay. 06:50 : Living at Jaeger-LeCoultre Brandon describes living in the fields behind the JLC building in the Vallée de Joux while working on the 450th anniversary Reverso.The intensity and dedication required to work alongside the old-world artisans of traditional watchmaking. 08:34 : Bringing Luxury to Fossil Transitioning from high luxury to Fossil and bringing a Michelin star methodology to the world of fashion watches.Managing a massive portfolio of licenses including Burberry, Armani, and the revitalization of Zodiac. 12:25 : The Culture of Fun How Fossil and Swatch changed the industry by making watches expressive, collectible, and playful.Why a watch should bring a smile to your face rather than being a purely serious accessory. 16:35 : The Baselworld Beer Garden Memories of the golden era of Baselworld where collectors of all levels mingled over cheap beer. Why the ability to share stories is more important than the competitive nature of high-end collecting. 18:21 : Rebuilding Detroit with Shinola Moving to Detroit to oversee design for Shinola's watches, clocks, and desktop accessories.The significance of the manufacturing and assembly investment that brought watchmaking back to the United States. 22:00 : The Challenge of the Strap Brandon reveals why manufacturing a watch strap is more technically difficult than most people imagine.The rewarding process of building a factory that takes raw leather from point A to a finished luxury product. 24:39 : Launching ARTEFKT Why Brandon decided to leave the corporate world to design a watch specifically for himself. The mission to create modular, high-tolerance, Grade 5 titanium watches that are built to be easily serviced. 31:36 : Luxury Marketing vs. The Hard Sell Why the best brands provide a space for acquisition and storytelling rather than a forced transaction.The importance of engaging honestly with the global community through watch fairs and local meetups. 43:20 : Parting Advice for Beginners Brandon encourages new collectors to ignore the snobbery and just enjoy the process of discovery.Why cutting your teeth on a vintage Casio or Timex makes you appreciate a future Grail watch even more. A great watch is not just a tool for telling the time; it is a mechanical record of the journey you have taken to get where you are today. ========== FREE GUIDE: Buy Your First Great Watch Without Getting Burned Download the WatchSmarts Beginner Buyer's Guide » Know exactly what matters (and what doesn't) before you spend a dollarAvoid the 10 common mistakes that cost beginners thousandsFind a great watch that fits your life, your style, and your budgetSkip the jargon, the snobbery, and the "collector nonsense"Get a simple decision framework that makes buying easy and obvious
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  • 026: From Rectangle Lots to the NAWCC Boardroom with Geoffrey Parker
    2026/09/29

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    David Newman sits down with Geoffrey Parker, the Chairman of the Board for the NAWCC, to explore a life dedicated to mechanical precision. Jeff shares how his childhood fascination with a local watchmaker and a professional background in complex scale modeling led him to salvage a "rectangle lot" of junk watches from eBay to teach himself the trade. From the emotional weight of restoring a Vietnam veteran's cherished Seiko to navigating the diverse factions of the horological community, Jeff explains why a watch is much more than just a tool. He offers a peek at his own impressive collection, including a 1951 original Omega and award winning custom skeletonized builds, while providing essential advice for beginners looking to find their own hidden treasures at flea markets and local meets.

    ⏱️ Timestamps

    00:04 : Welcome to the Show

    • David introduces Jeff as a watch guru, maker, and industry insider.
    • Jeff reflects on his earliest memories and his lifelong connection to the craft.

    00:41 : The Face Against the Glass

    • Jeff recalls being the "Norman Rockwell" boy with his face pressed against a local watchmaker's window.
    • How his background building 1/8 scale car replicas with 4,000 parts prepared him for the precision of horology.

    02:46 : The "Rectangle Lot" Experiment

    • Buying a "wreck and tangle" lot of junk watches on eBay to see if he could actually fix them.
    • The card table and simple tools that launched a decades long journey into professional repair.

    04:44 : The Emotional Side of Repair

    • Salvaging a late husband's water damaged watch for a grieving coworker.
    • Restoring a Vietnam veteran's faceted Seiko that became one of the most meaningful projects of his career.

    06:10 : Ancestral Watchmakers

    • Discovering a hidden family history of watchmaking that dates back over 150 years.
    • Why Jeff feels he was destined to pick up the trade as the only current family member in the craft.

    14:31 : Building Award Winning Timepieces

    • The story of the skeletonized Swiss movement build that won first prize at a national craft contest.
    • Why Jeff plans to eventually leave his cybersecurity career to focus on building custom watches full time.

    22:52 : Leading the NAWCC Community

    • Navigating the different subgroups of wristwatch, pocket watch, and clock collectors.
    • Why the "MoonSwatch" phenomenon is a vital gateway for bringing younger collectors into the hobby.

    28:58 : Innovation at the Museum

    • Highlighting the Bulova exhibit and the fascinating immigration story of Joseph Bulova.
    • Exploring the legacy of Accutron tuning fork technology and its impact on American watchmaking.

    32:30 : Show and Tell

    • A look at a garnet colored Baume & Mercier and a completely original 1951 Omega Seamaster.
    • The rare 1963 Zodiac chronograph that required a two year restoration process.

    37:44 : Advice for the New Collector

    • Why beginners should look for makers fairs and watch meets to find what truly excites them.
    • Approaching affordable vintage collecting with a "gambling" mindset for better entertainment value.

    41:30 : The Lightning Round

    • Jeff explains why he would choose one great masterpiece over a collection of five good ones.
    • Why the value of pre owned watches makes them a smarter choice than buying brand new.

    A great watch is a perfect storm of engineering, history, and art that reminds you to enjoy every second.
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  • 025: The Horological Hitchhiker and the Human Side of Collecting with JD Tyler
    2026/09/22

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    David Newman welcomes JD Tyler, the creative force behind the Redhead Horology newsletter, to explore the psychological depths of watch collecting. JD shares his transition from a childhood fascinations with Scooby-Doo and Mickey Mouse to developing a "healthy" way to interact with the hobby through storytelling. He introduces a unique framework for collectors, categorizing them as horological hoarders, hunters, or hitchhikers, while admitting his own tendency to "hitchhike" by stumbling into meaningful pieces rather than chasing corporate hype. Together, they discuss the "hedonic treadmill" of high end acquisition and the "Red Bull effect" where marketing shapes our desires for watches we do not actually need. From the vintage charm of a $200 Timex Draper to the utility of a $150 Veyer field watch, JD emphasizes that a collection should be a curated reflection of one's authentic lifestyle and personal history.

    ⏱️ Timestamps
    00:00 : The Birth of Redhead Horology

    • JD explains his desire to move away from mindless consumption toward a more human-centered watch hobby.
    • How his background in theology and religion informs his focus on the stories we attach to mechanical objects.

    02:08 : Hoarders, Hunters, and Hitchhikers

    • JD breaks down his three-part framework for identifying your personal collecting style.
    • Why he identifies as a "hitchhiker" who prefers watches that cross his path organically rather than through a targeted hunt.

    04:36 : The Hedonic Treadmill

    • A discussion on why hitting a milestone like buying a Rolex often fails to provide long term satisfaction.
    • Identifying the "spare moment consumption" habit of scrolling watch content while waiting in line for coffee.

    07:11 : Affordable Vintage Vibes

    • Why JD recently picked up a Timex Draper to scratch the itch for a 1960s casual dress aesthetic.
    • Discussing the specs of the Draper, including its mechanical Miota movement and era-appropriate mineral crystal.

    10:30 : Decor vs. Utility

    • David reveals his "office decor" trick for justifying a collection of over 100 affordable watches.
    • The psychological benefit of displaying watches in a case like fine china rather than feeling pressured to wear them all.

    11:46 : Socially Acceptable Jewelry

    • Exploring the theory that watches are one of the few pieces of jewelry men feel comfortable wearing in certain cultures.
    • How the explosion of visual social media has turned horology into a massive marketing apparatus.

    15:30 : Sourcing the Stories

    • JD shares his "secret sauce" for newsletters, including writing months of content in advance to maintain quality.
    • Retelling the story of Zak Brown from McLaren F1, whose racing career started by selling a pair of Cartier watches.

    26:02 : Advice for New Collectors

    • Why JD believes beginners should stop chasing brands and start looking for personal meaning in their pieces.
    • A staunch defense of quartz movements and why they do not deserve the "snobbery" often found in the hobby.

    33:42 : The Red Bull Effect

    • How branding can make an "objectively horrible" product successful by attaching it to an adventurous lifestyle.
    • The importance of distinguishing between the "zeitgeist" and your own actual daily preferences.
    • Your collection should be a reflection of your own life story rather than a curated catalog of corporate marketing.

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  • 024: The Surprise Jewelry Box and the "Entry-Level" Debate with Nico Robben
    2026/09/15

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    David Newman welcomes Nico to discuss a collection that started not with a purchase, but with a total surprise from a deceased neighbor. Mr. Beattie left Nico a jewelry box containing ten vintage timepieces, including a fleet of Hamiltons and a Korean War-era Omega, effectively turning a non-watch wearer into a dedicated enthusiast overnight. Nico shares his journey from that first inherited box to his first intentional purchase of a Seiko Presage Irish Coffee and his more recent acquisition of a Hamilton Jazzmaster to honor his mentor. Throughout the conversation, Nico and David dive into the "entry-level" watch debate, the tactical benefits of National Watch Day, and why a $200 discovery in Paris can sometimes provide more joy than a high-status Rolex.

    ⏱️ Timestamps
    00:02 : The Accidental Collector

    • Nico reveals that he did not own a single watch through high school or most of college.
    • How a surprise inheritance from a neighbor changed his perspective on horology forever.

    00:59 : Mr. Beattie's Jewelry Box

    • Opening a legacy gift containing ten Hamilton watches and a Korean War-era Omega Seamaster.
    • The challenge of getting vintage mechanical pieces back into working order after decades of storage.

    02:01 : The Irish Coffee Seiko

    • Nico details his first self-purchased watch, a Seiko Presage with a chocolatey brown dial.
    • Why the quality and feel of an affordable piece mattered more than a high-end price tag.

    03:15 : Legacy of the Neighbor

    • Discovering the hidden watch collection of a man who usually collected seeds and recipes.
    • Why Mr. Beattie likely chose Hamilton as his primary brand of choice based on family ties.

    05:32 : The Entry-Level Debate

    • David discusses a "Watch Crunch" firestorm regarding the definition of entry-level timepieces.
    • Why price points are subjective and every level of the hobby deserves respect.

    09:37 : National Watch Day

    • David reveals a fun fact about recording on June 19th, the official National Watch Day.
    • Exploring the cultural impact of watches and their endurance in a digital age.

    12:41 : The Paris Discovery

    • The story of a spontaneous Louis Pion purchase that caught Nico's eye in a French shop window.
    • Why the aesthetics of a watch face and font can often trump the prestige of a brand name.

    17:53 : The Rolex Resistance

    • Why Nico finds many Rolex models overrated compared to unique independent offerings.
    • Avoiding the social signal trap of buying a watch just because you are told you should love it.

    30:54 : The Digital Gateway

    • How smartwatches are actually helping the traditional industry by reclaiming "wrist real estate."
    • The shift from purely utilitarian tools to accessories with deep personal meaning.

    33:06 : The Lightning Round

    • Nico chooses between vintage and modern, straps and bracelets, and loud versus quiet designs.
    • Why he believes in owning one great watch over five good ones to ensure daily wear.

    35:16 : Final Thoughts

    • Nico shares why the story and personal connection to a watch matter more than the price.
    • Encouraging new collectors to wear what they love without worrying about brand prestige.
    • The best watch in the world is the one that makes you smile when you look at your wrist, regardless of the logo.


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