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Some conversations begin with a whisper… and before you know it, you’re knee-deep in the strange world of fringe theories, spiritual puzzles, and the awkward silence that follows when you bring them up at dinner. In this episode, we lean into the art of talking about the unseen without losing your spouse, your friends, or your social standing. Cohost Jen Parks joins us to break down how to communicate the blurry stuff with wisdom, patience, humor, and a whole lot of relational finesse. We get into cognitive dissonance, defensiveness, spiritual warfare, and why you can’t fire-hose your way into someone’s worldview. From coffee-pot analogies to puzzle-piece theology, this conversation is packed with practical tools for anyone trying to introduce fringe topics to the people they love. It’s part communication workshop, part spiritual formation, and part, “Please don’t think I’m crazy.”

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Timestamps:
00:00:51 Setting up today’s topic: fringe talk without scaring people
00:02:10 Jen shares what inspired this episode
00:03:15 Persuasion, winsome speech, and Proverbs 25:11
00:04:50 Fear, pride, and defensiveness in conversations
00:05:36 Cognitive dissonance explained
00:07:20 Intent behind questions and how Jesus handled it
00:09:45 Asking the Holy Spirit for the right words
00:10:22 Evangelism through questions
00:11:45 You’re the coffee pot principle
00:12:43 Trajectory and small shifts over time
00:13:50 Insider language and jargon problems
00:15:05 Relationship before explanation
00:17:16 Percolator analogy and slow spiritual conversations
00:18:50 Bigfoot, breadcrumbs, and worldview expansion
00:19:38 Why fringe topics matter to spiritual formation
00:22:00 Friendship before being “right”
00:24:18 Women's approach: you can influence, not control
00:26:45 Husbands as protectors and guardrails
00:28:55 Band of Brothers: “salute the rank, not the man”
00:31:33 Asking questions and listening well
00:33:47 Fire-hosing vs slow growth
00:36:07 Early experiences listening to fringe podcasts
00:38:25 The “all knowledge” paper and circle analogy
00:40:41 Using secondhand listening at home
00:42:52 Growth, discernment, and humility
00:45:17 Requesting reciprocal respect
00:47:42 Don’t make it hard for someone to change their mind
00:49:36 Conspiracy pitfalls and being honest about “I don’t know”
00:52:03 Collecting puzzle pieces and lifelong learning
00:54:28 The glory of kings to search a matter out
00:55:43 Closing encouragement and future episode topics

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Every December, it feels like the internet dusts off the same “Christmas is pagan” memes and lobs them into everyone’s feeds, and honestly… I’m over it. In this conversation, I sit down with Lindsy and our guest co-navigator Jennifer to ask where these claims actually came from and whether they hold up to real history. We talk about early church evidence for celebrating Jesus’ birth in December, why conception dates mattered in the ancient world, and how sacred time belongs to God—not Saturn, Mithras, or Yuletide spirits. We also unravel Alexander Hislop’s The Two Babylons, Nimrod conspiracies, green man imagery, and the fear that you might be “accidentally” worshiping other gods by putting up a tree. Along the way, we hit on mission, sacred space, and why intent matters more than internet paranoia. If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re allowed to enjoy Christmas without guilt, this one’s for you with Dr. Judd Burton.

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Timestamps:
00:03:16 Is Christmas actually pagan?
00:05:39 Why celebrating Jesus’ birth matters
00:07:56 Birth vs conception and sacred timing
00:10:20 Shepherds, winter flocks, and December
00:12:42 Saturnalia and Sol Invictus explained
00:15:08 Constantine myths and Jesus image
00:17:24 Yuletide, grottos, and reclaiming sites
00:19:20 St Nicholas, Nicaea, and legend
00:21:45 Enter Alexander Hislop and Two Babylons
00:23:59 Nimrod, Apkalū, and pareidolia
00:26:17 Fear, deception, and trusting God vs the devil
00:28:33 Magi, astrology, and God using pagan culture
00:31:00 Christmas trees, Asherah poles, and intent
00:33:08 Law, grace, and going back under Torah
00:35:31 Demonic counterfeits and mythic archetypes
00:37:52 Generational attacks, giants, and cosmic war
00:40:14 Real danger of anti-Christmas teaching
00:42:35 Judd’s projects, classes, and Christmas studies

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Some conversations feel like stepping into a warm room full of light, and this one definitely did. In this episode, we drift into that holiday crossroads where Scripture, history, memes, and misguided internet theology all collide. We talk about why Christmas is far more ancient, sacred, and deeply biblical than most people ever imagine, and why the “pagan origins” claims collapse under even a little sunlight. The conversation moves from the fall, to Abraham, to the prophets, to the early church, and then out into global Christian traditions that celebrate the incarnation in wildly different cultural ways. We explore unity vs. uniformity, Christian liberty, spiritual warfare, evangelism, and the beauty of Advent. And best of all — we unpack how the theology of Christmas leads us straight into worship, mission, and joy. Welcome back Dr. Rob Solberg.

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Timestamps:
00:56:00 Entering the “holiday zone”
01:05:00 Theology of Christmas book discussion
01:20:00 Why write a defense of Christmas
01:45:00 Offense and defense in ministry
03:18:00 Dealing with fringe teachings
05:43:00 The deeper story behind Christmas
08:09:00 Old Testament promises and patterns
10:32:00 Incarnation as the second most important event
12:52:00 Joy, celebration, and biblical precedent
15:00:00 Birth narratives in ancient biography
17:16:00 The liminal era of the early church
19:30:00 How Christmas emerged historically
21:52:00 Arbitrary dates and Christian liberty
24:11:00 Celtic incarnational influence
26:29:00 Evangelism opportunities at Christmas
28:51:00 Cultures, unity, and contextualization
31:03:00 Spiritual warfare and distraction
33:24:00 Why the book is so convincing
35:46:00 Hanukkah, Purim, and man-made festivals
38:10:00 Christian liberty and non-essentials
40:34:00 Kindness, humility, and internet debate
42:59:00 Uniformity vs. unity in church history
45:23:00 What Christians should bring back to Christmas
47:45:00 Rich theology in old Christmas hymns
50:08:00 How the Advent study guide works
52:29:00 Rob’s dissertation on Jews and Gentiles
54:47:00 Roots of Gentile-majority church
57:11:00 False teachers and humility

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This conversation pulls you straight into the wild, wonderful, and deeply supernatural world woven into the pages of Scripture. We explore ancient bloodlines, cosmic rebellions, hybrid beings, and the strange clues most Christians skip right over because they were never taught how to look for them. Adam walks us through his “warehouse manager” method of reading the Bible — tracking patterns, identifying anomalies, and letting the text define its own boundaries. From Ezekiel’s “wicked conception rituals” to the kings and princes ruling unseen nations, the conversation raises big, honest questions about what the biblical authors actually believed. We also dive into good vs. evil Nephilim, hybrid bloodlines in Judges, angelic kings, and why context matters more than commentary. And somehow we still ended up talking about lion-men, giants in Virginia, and alien abductions. It’s a ride — and it’s gloriously unrefined.

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Timestamps:
00:00:07 Hybridization and giants
00:00:27 Welcome intro and setup
00:01:05 Adam Ferris reintroduced
00:01:40 Fringe reading of Scripture
00:02:32 Discernment and truth
00:02:50 Clown-Nephilim story
00:03:40 Introducing good Nephilim
00:04:40 Adam’s journey into supernatural reading
00:05:30 Warehouse-manager Bible method
00:06:30 The Bible as survival story
00:07:35 Firmament and rakia
00:08:40 Hebrew descriptive language
00:09:20 Ethiopian Bible note
00:10:30 Human/giant co-existence
00:11:57 Lion-men and design
00:12:40 Suspending unbelief
00:12:56 Ezekiel and conception rituals
00:14:50 70 ancient ones
00:15:14 Sons of scribes and corruption
00:16:20 Tower of Babel reconsidered
00:17:14 Nimrod and first kings
00:18:20 Princes, kings, and domains
00:19:37 Angelic princes in Daniel
00:20:40 Cherub forms and ox imagery
00:22:03 Egyptian gods and animal forms
00:23:40 Corrupted creation
00:24:19 Perverting all flesh
00:25:14 Occult symbolism
00:26:24 1900s shift
00:27:20 Hybridization and Babel again
00:28:50 Psalm 76 and rulers
00:29:40 Kings as spiritual beings
00:30:40 Melchizedek discussion begins
00:31:16 Melchizedek as spiritual king
00:32:30 Priesthood without lineage
00:33:40 Heavenly hierarchy on earth
00:34:20 Second incursion question
00:35:20 Ham and Canaan connection
00:36:01 New Testament angel warnings
00:36:40 DNA dilution arguments
00:37:14 Alien abductions discussion
00:38:22 Giants in early Virginia
00:39:10 Government deception theory
00:40:41 Evolution of good Nephilim
00:41:22 Judges and hybrid heroes
00:42:30 Distinguishing gibbor language
00:43:10 Mighty men patterns
00:45:11 Evidence vs certainty
00:46:20 Prayer and discernment
00:47:32 Organic reading of Scripture
00:48:30 God using giant judges
00:49:54 Spiritual identities of Nephilim
00:50:40 Demon origins debate
00:51:20 Legion and the pigs
00:52:15 Final thoughts
00:52:56 Where to find Adam

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This discussion explores why some visions carry weight, how to separate hallucinations from objective phenomena, and why believers shouldn’t jump to theological conclusions from every paranormal moment. We compare modern apparition research to the biblical resurrection accounts and find powerful similarities and key differences. Ultimately, this conversation asks a bold question: what exactly does it mean to “see” the Messiah — and how do we discern truth in a world overflowing with spiritual noise?
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Timestamps:
00:00:54 Setting up today’s topic on visions and the risen Christ
00:01:53 Defining terms and simplifying concepts
00:03:20 Jonathan’s background & fascination with the paranormal
00:05:12 Apparitions and how Allison’s work sparked research
00:06:25 Criteria for verifying visions
00:08:00 Modern apparition research explained
00:10:31 Differentiating hallucinations from objective encounters
00:12:01 Intentional apparition projection experiments
00:13:37 Bi-location and projecting consciousness
00:15:40 Altered states and apparition experiences
00:16:25 Emotional vs relaxed mental states in encounters
00:18:10 Large-scale religious apparitions (Fatima, Medjugorje, Zytoon)
00:19:39 Cultural flavor in apparition experiences
00:21:38 Subjective interpretation meeting objective events
00:23:10 Cultural biases around Eastern vs Western experiences
00:24:12 Comparing biblical resurrection accounts to modern reports
00:26:42 Tangibility of apparitions (touching, eating, physicality)
00:28:31 Apparitions of the living vs the dead
00:29:40 Dopplegangers and apparition folklore
00:30:19 Iceland’s phylgia phenomenon
00:31:24 Government interest in psychic projection
00:32:20 Differences between Jesus’ appearances and modern apparitions
00:33:26 “Apparitional greatest hits” theory
00:36:03 The Mary-at-the-grave encounter
00:37:28 Touch, physicality, and post-resurrection behavior
00:38:15 Comparing Jonathan & Matthew’s approaches
00:40:26 Denominational views on visions
00:41:20 Personal rose-scent encounter
00:42:22 Olfactory apparitions
00:44:35 Why apparitions require energy
00:46:20 Why some apparitions are subtle, not dramatic
00:47:43 Contrasting Jonathan’s views with Dale Allison’s
00:49:36 Reliability of Gospel accounts
00:50:34 The Lubavitcher Rebbe resurrection claims
00:52:05 Apparitions within the Chabad movement
00:53:57 How the church can recover biblical imagination
00:56:21 Staying grounded while exploring the supernatural
00:58:18 Why paranormal data can create metaphysical tension
01:00:39 How believers can discern authentic spiritual experiences
01:02:19 Avoiding “Satan of the gaps” thinking
01:03:57 Key takeaway for skeptical listeners
01:04:30 Scientific materialism is dead
01:05:44 UFO encounter seen by family member
01:06:42 Upcoming book announcement
01:08:35 Personal paranormal story about Milo the cat
01:11:07 UFO sighting above the tree line

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This episode takes you straight into the eerie pinewoods of Mississippi, where cryptid researcher Marcus Ellis returns with spine-tingling encounters of Bigfoot, Chupacabras, and the terrifying Dogman. Brandon and Lindsy listen as Marcus describes physical and supernatural encounters—creatures that walk on two legs, vanish into thin air, and leave witnesses shaken for life. From the haunted farmland of Taylor Mississippi to the blood-drained livestock near Sky Lake, Marcus shares firsthand accounts and explains why he believes Dogman isn’t just flesh and blood—it’s something darker. By the end, the hosts wrestle with the question: how do you hunt something that already knows where you live?

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Timestamps
00:00:07 Threats from the unknown
00:00:27 Intro to the episode
00:00:54 Welcoming Marcus Ellis back
00:03:22 Leaving MUFON and returning to the field
00:05:48 Growing interest in Dogman reports
00:08:14 What is Dogman? Definition and traits
00:10:39 Good vs. bad cryptid encounters
00:13:01 Supernatural traits of Dogman
00:15:24 Skinwalker Ranch connections and hitchhiker effect
00:17:49 Thermal footage of Dogwoman and pup
00:20:12 Dogman sightings across Mississippi
00:22:34 Chupacabra cases and livestock killings
00:25:01 The “Killer Chupacabras of Mississippi” case
00:27:28 Evidence of interdimensional or demonic nature
00:29:54 Farmer attacks the creature with his truck
00:32:20 Eyewitness encounters near Sky Lake
00:34:43 Eyewitness confirmation at a trade show
00:37:05 No new Chupacabra reports since
00:39:12 Dogman sightings throughout the state
00:41:35 Marcus’s personal Dogman encounter
00:43:39 Witness stories from South Mississippi
00:46:04 The lovers-lane Dogman story
00:48:30 Arkansas encounter—Dogman points the hunter home
00:50:57 Discussion on Dogman intelligence
00:53:21 Fear vs. terror—how Dogman encounters differ
00:55:25 “One case busts the paradigm”
00:57:52 Why Dogmen rarely kill
01:00:19 Missing persons, military cover-ups, and LBL shutdowns
01:02:44 Safety in cryptid research and GPS tracking
01:05:08 People underestimate what’s in the woods
01:06:07 Spiritual side of cryptid research
01:08:15 Why Marcus does the work he does
01:10:39 Do some people attract cryptids?
01:13:06 Gifting and dangers of feeding Sasquatch
01:15:27 Spiritual caution and dependency
01:17:45 Marcus’s projects and groups
01:20:08 Winterville Mounds and Nephilim connections
01:24:49 Choctaw oral tradition of fighting giants
01:27:07 Native American mounds and Smithsonian cover-up
01:29:35 Global giant traditions and Nephilim migrations
01:31:57 Closing thoughts and future plans

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In this episode, Brandon, Lindsy, and cohost Jennifer Parks dive into the history and fallout of the 1980s “Satanic Panic,” focusing on the rise and fall of Christian comedian Mike Warnke. They unpack how Warnke’s book The Satan Seller and testimony about being a former Satanic high priest helped spark nationwide hysteria—and how later investigations unraveled parts of his story, leading to his public disgrace. The trio explores the broader cultural forces at play, from media manipulation and government psyops to church fear-mongering, and reflect on how believers treat fallen heroes. The conversation weaves humor, empathy, and insight into fear-based religion, false memory syndrome, and grace in the aftermath of failure.

Timestamps:

00:00:54 Welcome
00:03:13 Who was Mike Warnke?
00:05:30 Warnke’s early life and beginnings
00:07:52 His rise as a Christian comedian
00:10:18 Testimony of salvation in bootcamp
00:12:40 Did Warnke cause the Satanic Panic?
00:14:47 “Michelle Remembers” and false memory roots
00:17:10 Church mysticism and altered states
00:19:36 The rise of the Satanic Panic
00:21:55 Fear, media, and moral hysteria
00:24:17 McMartin case and guilt by association
00:26:43 Cornerstone Magazine exposes Warnke
00:29:09 Divorce, the church, and hypocrisy
00:31:30 Self-righteousness and judgment
00:33:52 How do we treat fallen believers?
00:36:16 Jeffrey Victor’s The Satanic Panic and anti-supernatural bias
00:38:39 Reason, discernment, and the Wesleyan quadrilateral
00:41:03 If Satan can’t stop you, he’ll push you too far
00:43:25 How love treats fallen heroes
00:45:52 Shame vs conviction in Christian life
00:48:16 Grace and the value of people
00:50:36 Church discipline and restoration
00:52:59 Modern fallout and confused truth
00:55:21 The Delphi murders and Odinism connection
00:57:45 Government psyops and the “deep cult”
01:00:03 CIA, media control, and discrediting SRA
01:02:28 Where is Mike Warnke now?
01:04:46 Brokenness, mercy, and redemption
01:06:51 Grace, judgment, and final reflections

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Some ideas belong in the theological recycle bin—this episode takes on one of them. We unpack the “serpent seed” doctrine, where it came from, why it keeps resurfacing, and how it collapses under Hebrew, history, and the church fathers. We trace its Gnostic fingerprints, show how it fuels bad fruit (including racist distortions), and contrast it with the biblical “seed” theme fulfilled in Christ. We also sort out why people confuse Genesis 3 with Genesis 6 and how presentism, isogesis, and click-driven sensationalism muddy the waters. Along the way: Irenaeus, Heiser, Zohar, Ophites, Branham/Murray, and why sound doctrine must marry reason and the supernatural. We wrap with practical tests for spotting heresy and a call back to creedal foundations that love the real Jesus. Today we, welcome back Dr. Judd Burton.

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Timestamps

00:00:08 Creedal foundation
00:00:28 Show intro
00:00:56 Guest setup
00:03:11 What is serpent seed
00:05:36 Deception is moral
00:07:38 Language and training
00:09:43 Interest vs. authority
00:12:08 Fathers refuted it
00:14:31 Gnostic sources cited
00:16:57 Zohar/Kabbalah misuse
00:19:19 Racist applications
00:21:26 Fruit test of doctrine
00:23:48 Nephilim vs serpent seed
00:26:13 Projecting Gen 6
00:33:03 Crushing the serpent
00:35:10 Seed ≠ DNA only
00:37:34 Presentism cautions
00:39:43 Evidence and humility
00:42:08 Emergent/Gnostic drift
00:44:30 Deconstruction nuance
00:46:51 Creed over tribe
00:49:17 Unraveling danger
00:51:39 Torah and grace
00:54:05 Final thanks

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