This episode peers into a relic shrouded in both legend and light—the mysterious cloth known as the Shroud of Turin. Brandon, Lindsy, and guest cohost Jen Parks trace its strange trail through history, where carbon dating collides with forensic detail, plasma bursts hint at hidden forces, and ancient lenses raise unsettling questions. Is it art, accident, or a fragment of resurrection itself? In this journey through science, faith, and the unexplained, we welcome back Dr. Trevor Lohman.

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Timestamps

00:51 Welcome Back Dr. Trevor Lohman
03:18 Initial thoughts on the Shroud
05:39 First photograph and negative image
08:06 Depth data and 3D qualities
10:31 Skeptics vs believers
12:50 Gospel accounts and contradictions
15:12 Faith vs relic debates
17:30 Forensic blood evidence
19:53 Camera obscura theory
22:16 Carbon dating controversy
24:31 Tracing historical custody
26:55 1988 carbon dating scandal
29:18 Problems with raw data
31:38 Explaining carbon dating
34:00 Non-invasive dating evidence
36:26 Historical chain back to Edessa
38:42 Motives and skepticism
41:05 Plasma discharge theory
43:29 Double superficiality discovery
45:53 Shroud uniqueness
48:16 Free will and faith tension
50:42 Protestant skepticism
53:06 Trevor’s personal transformation
55:18 Skeptical vs believer arguments
57:39 AB blood and relic debates
01:00:02 Resurrection significance
01:02:26 Trevor’s podcast and other books

This conversation takes a thoughtful, no-nonsense look at Spirit baptism, gifts, and the heart of what it means to walk in the Spirit. Brandon, Lindsy, and returning guest Clint Byars unravel the baggage around tongues, anointing, and impartation—while exposing how elitism and gnostic thinking have shaped Charismania. They wrestle through semantics, misunderstood doctrines, and real-life experiences of the Spirit, ultimately pointing back to the simplicity of being complete in Christ. From worship as warfare to fasting as a tool for training the flesh, this episode dives into how believers can yield to the Spirit without chasing after hype. Clint closes by sharing a powerful, holistic gospel message rooted in God’s love, freedom, and kingdom reality.

Forward Church — his church (south of Atlanta): https://forward.church

Clint Byars (personal site + resources/membership): https://clintbyars.com

Strong & Godly Men — free course/project for men: https://strongandgodlymen.com

Timestamps:
00:00 Understanding Spirit Baptism
00:45 Clint's Journey to Faith
02:23 The Role of the Holy Spirit
05:37 Semantics of Spirit Baptism
07:24 Misunderstandings in Pentecostalism
09:17 Gnosticism and Its Impact
10:46 Experiencing the Holy Spirit
13:49 The New Covenant and the Holy Spirit
17:22 Obedience vs. Dead Works
20:45 The Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
21:11 Understanding Being Filled with the Spirit
23:12 The Role of the Spirit in Ministry
23:57 Receiving the Spirit: An Active Process
25:46 Contrasting Old and New Testament Experiences
26:36 Gnosticism and the Charismatic Movement
29:12 The Elitism of Spiritual Gifts
30:55 Understanding Spiritual Gifts in Community
33:01 The Toolbox of the Holy Spirit
36:47 Proactive Spiritual Warfare
39:46 Exploring Tongues and Prayer Language
42:48 The Quantum Connection: Consciousness and Creation
43:50 Praying with Authority: Co-laboring with God
45:56 The Power of Tongues: A Divine Gift Under Attack
48:06 Fasting and Spiritual Awareness: The Heart's Role
51:46 Understanding the Heart: The Bridge Between Spirit and Soul
57:24 The Gospel of the Kingdom: A Message of Love and Redemption

An ancient site older than history itself flips the script on everything we thought we knew about human origins, religion, and the unseen world. Brandon and Lindsy dig into the strange reality of massive stone structures that shouldn’t exist in the so-called Stone Age—carvings that hint at Watchers, sacred rituals, and even a hidden language lost to time. From ancestor worship and moon-gods to the shocking possibility that humanity’s first couple was deified in stone, this conversation uncovers connections that challenge archaeology, theology, and the very foundations of civilization. Sure, this guest has been interviewed before—but never like this!

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Timestamps

00:06 Divine nature and cosmology
03:16 Early assumptions about Gobekli Tepe
05:42 Agriculture vs. ritual first
08:08 Pre-agriculture abundance
10:33 Was the site deliberately buried?
12:47 Animal guardians and supernatural ties
14:50 Connections to Watchers and cherubim
17:17 Symbols, logograms, and proto-writing
19:45 Luwian language theory
24:28 Re-dating Gobekli Tepe to Bronze Age?
26:48 Parallel cultures and locked technologies
28:55 Explosion of civilization after the flood
31:17 Natural resources vs. stones as religion
33:41 Ancestor worship and sacred spaces
36:07 Deified Adam and Eve imagery
38:30 Fox pelt loincloths and Genesis echoes
40:51 Council-like sacred rituals
43:03 Skull fragments and burial practices
45:20 Regeneration, vultures, and fertility
47:43 Nimrod, Babel, and divine intervention
50:05 What’s next in Aaron’s research
52:23 Moon-god worship and biblical connections
54:41 The wilderness of Sin
56:57 Stones, ancestors, and biblical prohibitions
59:23 Where to find Aaron’s work
01:01:44 Patreon and Ancient Pathways resources
01:04:07 Future hope for Gobekli Tepe research

Something old is hiding in the text—older than creeds, louder than tradition, and it doesn’t like the light. Our returning guest slips us a trail of clues through Genesis 6, Psalm 82, and Deuteronomy 32, pointing to quiet edits, missing words, and a council in the shadows. If those changes are real, they don’t just touch giants—they press on the very name “Son of God.” The story widens: rabbis, translators, and empires trying to hush a supernatural thread that keeps resurfacing. And for reasons that feel uncomfortably current, that thread pulls on politics, bloodlines, and the way nations are discipled. We don’t exactly solve the mystery—but we hand you some compelling evidence with a map.

Timestamps

00:57 Brandon’s wrestling-style intro
02:10 Why he wrote his new paper
03:17 Pushback against the Nephilim worldview
05:33 How rabbis altered texts in the 2nd century
07:56 Augustine and Chrysostom’s naturalistic shift
10:21 Two Powers in Heaven and early Jewish thought
12:41 Jesus quoting Psalm 82 and its implications
15:00 Masoretic vs Septuagint vs Dead Sea Scrolls
17:21 Deliberate changes in Deuteronomy 32 and Psalm 82
19:43 New Greek translations to counter the Septuagint
22:10 Early church fathers’ awareness of text changes
24:30 Speculation about anti-supernatural agendas
26:56 Islam, henotheism, and Gnostic influence
29:15 Jewish fables, genealogies, and textual variants
31:44 Melchizedek, Shem, and genealogy manipulation
34:04 Psalm 110 and begotten-before-the-dawn language
36:32 Connections to Hebrews and Jesus as Melchizedek
38:51 Why the Nephilim worldview faces modern resistance
41:09 Tradition vs biblical interpretation in Reformed circles
43:27 Augustine’s overwhelming influence
45:32 Quickfire speculative questions for Doug
47:57 Demythologizing scripture and politics
50:23 Dispensationalism, Zionism, and modern Israel
52:32 A biblical chiasm of 1–12–70–nations
54:50 Paul before the Sanhedrin and watcher parallels
57:15 Great Commission as discipling nations
59:40 Two Israels, replacement theology debates

Ever wonder what the future of the church might look like if we tapped into its wild, earthy, and Spirit-filled roots? In this episode, your host Brandon Spain along with Matthew McGuire welcome back author Michael Mitton to explore the wisdom of Celtic Christianity. From sacred landscapes and supernatural encounters to rhythms of prayer, humility, and community, the conversation weaves together theology, history, and the supernatural. They dive into topics like sacred spaces, healing the land, women in ministry, charismatic gifts, and the role of humility in miracles. This one blends ancient faith with modern hunger for authenticity and renewal—and might just give us a glimpse of John 17 lived out.

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Timestamps:

02:47 Roots of Celtic Christianity
05:12 Physical prayer and worship
07:30 Earthy everyday spirituality
09:49 Protestant hesitation with Catholic practices
12:11 Charismatic adoption of contemplative practices
14:33 Weaving the strands of faith
16:57 Sacred spaces and healing the land
19:17 Contaminated land and cleansing stories
21:38 Creation, nature, and avoiding new age distortions
24:05 Celtic vs Roman view of human nature
26:27 Patrick vs Augustine’s confessions
28:53 Eastern and desert influences
31:09 Solitude and community rhythm
32:43 Anam Cara and soul friendship
35:09 Spiritual direction and confession
37:28 Green and white martyrdom
39:51 Missionary adventure and divine restlessness
42:05 Woven cord and Trinity emphasis
44:28 Michael’s novel and magical realism
45:40 Women in ministry in Celtic Christianity
48:03 Brigid’s story and authority
50:27 Charismatic gifts and humility
52:50 Holiness and humility as prerequisites for miracles
55:13 Eastern vs Western church architecture
57:31 Favorite Celtic saints
59:55 Future of the church

What happens when a chaos magician encounters the living God? In this raw and unforgettable episode, Cole Harrison recounts his wild descent into psychedelic rituals, demonic possession, and occult deception — and the divine rescue that changed everything. From tripping in a basement drum circle to crying out to God in the Oregon wilderness, Cole’s story is a supernatural rollercoaster of redemption. Now, he’s flipping the script, ministering to the same crowd he once ran with — using music, tea, and the presence of Jesus in the middle of psychedelic festivals. It’s gritty, honest, and lit with the fire of the Holy Spirit.

https://themagicalducklings.com/
Guest Contact Info – Cole Harrison

• Ministry Name: The Magical Ducklings
• Email: info@themagicalducklings.com
• YouTube: The Magical Ducklings on YouTube (new music and surround sound experiences shared here)

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Timestamps
00:06 Demonic encounter and heavenly intervention
00:28 Introducing Cole Harrison
02:44 Childhood spirituality and early artistic family background
05:06 Drawn to the occult and discovery of witchcraft books
07:27 Early black magic practices and spiritual fractures
09:51 Arrest, rituals, and descent into chaos magic
12:13 Drum-based spirit manipulation and psychedelic influence
14:40 Traveling, manipulation magic, and Castaneda-inspired sorcery
17:03 Introduction of sinister teacher and basement rituals
19:32 Possession experiences during chaos drumming
21:53 Demonic manifestations and internal torment
24:16 Connection to Process Church similarities
26:30 The complexity of electronic music and tripping
28:55 Turning point in the woods, divine encounter
31:16 Realization of deception at Grateful Dead concert
33:40 Demon voices, self-harm, and deliverance in the woods
36:01 Spiritual breakthrough and divine rescue
38:15 Journey to Rainbow Gathering and continued torment
40:36 Encounter with the Bread of Life kitchen and Jesus
42:53 Full surrender, first Bible reading, and confirmation
45:12 First deliverance experience in Dallas
47:32 Filled with the Holy Spirit and slain in the spirit
49:52 Ministry at Bonnaroo and psychedelic outreach
52:10 Redeeming psychedelic culture through creative ministry
54:22 What New Agers get right and wrong
56:43 Reflections on theology, childhood, and spiritual fatherhood
59:05 Psychedelics, mind control, and Laurel Canyon
01:01:31 Supernatural love and genuine community in evangelism
01:04:20 Media mind control and spiritual warfare
01:06:44 Advice for those called to reach the fringes
01:09:07 Embracing weirdness and creativity in ministry
01:11:29 Where to find Cole’s music and final encouragement

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Ever wondered what happens when a neuroscientist follows the data and ends up finding God? This week, we sit down with Dr. Trevor Lohman, author of God’s Eye View, to explore the wild intersection of neuroscience, quantum physics, and biblical faith. From the double-slit experiment to the mystery of consciousness, Trevor walks us through how science isn't just compatible with belief in God—it might actually demand it. We also touch on microtubules, frequencies, and a future episode on the Shroud of Turin!

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Websites & Contact Info

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Timestamps

00:09 Worldview, science, and truth
01:08 Introducing Dr. Trevor Lohman
02:51 Tesla, science conspiracies, and shadow history
05:10 Growing up in scientism culture
07:30 Shattered worldview and rise of skepticism
09:56 Discovering the political and financial layers of science
12:17 Personal background and corruption in healthcare
14:39 Philosophy, quantum physics, and shifting perceptions
16:56 Defining consciousness and free will
19:16 Mind vs brain: is there a driver in the car?
21:37 Observer effect and the self
24:03 Supernatural interpretations of hallucinations
26:22 Jesus, science, and the power of belief
28:43 Science as method vs worldview
31:07 Quantum physics and New Testament parallels
33:07 Christians vs New Age belief in benevolence
35:24 Encountering the gospel as an adult scientist
37:48 The double-slit experiment explained
42:32 Light as wave vs particle
44:56 Consciousness collapses reality
47:07 Simulation theory and rendering reality
50:27 Co-creation and observation
50:54 Entanglement and faster-than-light communication
53:18 Special relativity and breaking it with entanglement
55:37 Consciousness transmission vs production theories
57:55 Microtubules as antennas of the soul
01:00:20 Sleep, prayer, psychedelics, and consciousness
01:02:26 Frequency, science, and spiritual overlap
01:04:44 New age vs science: where's the line?
01:07:01 Real definitions of frequency
01:09:26 Psychedelics, dreams, and microtubules
01:11:46 Radio waves, spiritual realms, and spectrum limits
01:14:11 Frequency medicine and Alzheimer’s
01:16:38 Why frequency-based health is underfunded
01:19:01 Shifting focus to the soul and spiritual formation
01:21:23 Shroud of Turin as scientific mystery
01:23:48 Evidence for the shroud's authenticity
01:26:13 Light, resurrection, and conception
01:27:30 Future topics: AI, consciousness, and shroud
01:27:56 Outro and contact info