This episode peers into a relic shrouded in both legend and light—the mysterious cloth known as the Shroud of Turin. Brandon, Lindsy, and guest cohost Jen Parks trace its strange trail through history, where carbon dating collides with forensic detail, plasma bursts hint at hidden forces, and ancient lenses raise unsettling questions. Is it art, accident, or a fragment of resurrection itself? In this journey through science, faith, and the unexplained, we welcome back Dr. Trevor Lohman.

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Timestamps

00:51 Welcome Back Dr. Trevor Lohman
03:18 Initial thoughts on the Shroud
05:39 First photograph and negative image
08:06 Depth data and 3D qualities
10:31 Skeptics vs believers
12:50 Gospel accounts and contradictions
15:12 Faith vs relic debates
17:30 Forensic blood evidence
19:53 Camera obscura theory
22:16 Carbon dating controversy
24:31 Tracing historical custody
26:55 1988 carbon dating scandal
29:18 Problems with raw data
31:38 Explaining carbon dating
34:00 Non-invasive dating evidence
36:26 Historical chain back to Edessa
38:42 Motives and skepticism
41:05 Plasma discharge theory
43:29 Double superficiality discovery
45:53 Shroud uniqueness
48:16 Free will and faith tension
50:42 Protestant skepticism
53:06 Trevor’s personal transformation
55:18 Skeptical vs believer arguments
57:39 AB blood and relic debates
01:00:02 Resurrection significance
01:02:26 Trevor’s podcast and other books

This conversation takes a thoughtful, no-nonsense look at Spirit baptism, gifts, and the heart of what it means to walk in the Spirit. Brandon, Lindsy, and returning guest Clint Byars unravel the baggage around tongues, anointing, and impartation—while exposing how elitism and gnostic thinking have shaped Charismania. They wrestle through semantics, misunderstood doctrines, and real-life experiences of the Spirit, ultimately pointing back to the simplicity of being complete in Christ. From worship as warfare to fasting as a tool for training the flesh, this episode dives into how believers can yield to the Spirit without chasing after hype. Clint closes by sharing a powerful, holistic gospel message rooted in God’s love, freedom, and kingdom reality.

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Timestamps:
00:00 Understanding Spirit Baptism
00:45 Clint's Journey to Faith
02:23 The Role of the Holy Spirit
05:37 Semantics of Spirit Baptism
07:24 Misunderstandings in Pentecostalism
09:17 Gnosticism and Its Impact
10:46 Experiencing the Holy Spirit
13:49 The New Covenant and the Holy Spirit
17:22 Obedience vs. Dead Works
20:45 The Outpouring of the Holy Spirit
21:11 Understanding Being Filled with the Spirit
23:12 The Role of the Spirit in Ministry
23:57 Receiving the Spirit: An Active Process
25:46 Contrasting Old and New Testament Experiences
26:36 Gnosticism and the Charismatic Movement
29:12 The Elitism of Spiritual Gifts
30:55 Understanding Spiritual Gifts in Community
33:01 The Toolbox of the Holy Spirit
36:47 Proactive Spiritual Warfare
39:46 Exploring Tongues and Prayer Language
42:48 The Quantum Connection: Consciousness and Creation
43:50 Praying with Authority: Co-laboring with God
45:56 The Power of Tongues: A Divine Gift Under Attack
48:06 Fasting and Spiritual Awareness: The Heart's Role
51:46 Understanding the Heart: The Bridge Between Spirit and Soul
57:24 The Gospel of the Kingdom: A Message of Love and Redemption

An ancient site older than history itself flips the script on everything we thought we knew about human origins, religion, and the unseen world. Brandon and Lindsy dig into the strange reality of massive stone structures that shouldn’t exist in the so-called Stone Age—carvings that hint at Watchers, sacred rituals, and even a hidden language lost to time. From ancestor worship and moon-gods to the shocking possibility that humanity’s first couple was deified in stone, this conversation uncovers connections that challenge archaeology, theology, and the very foundations of civilization. Sure, this guest has been interviewed before—but never like this!

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Timestamps

00:06 Divine nature and cosmology
03:16 Early assumptions about Gobekli Tepe
05:42 Agriculture vs. ritual first
08:08 Pre-agriculture abundance
10:33 Was the site deliberately buried?
12:47 Animal guardians and supernatural ties
14:50 Connections to Watchers and cherubim
17:17 Symbols, logograms, and proto-writing
19:45 Luwian language theory
24:28 Re-dating Gobekli Tepe to Bronze Age?
26:48 Parallel cultures and locked technologies
28:55 Explosion of civilization after the flood
31:17 Natural resources vs. stones as religion
33:41 Ancestor worship and sacred spaces
36:07 Deified Adam and Eve imagery
38:30 Fox pelt loincloths and Genesis echoes
40:51 Council-like sacred rituals
43:03 Skull fragments and burial practices
45:20 Regeneration, vultures, and fertility
47:43 Nimrod, Babel, and divine intervention
50:05 What’s next in Aaron’s research
52:23 Moon-god worship and biblical connections
54:41 The wilderness of Sin
56:57 Stones, ancestors, and biblical prohibitions
59:23 Where to find Aaron’s work
01:01:44 Patreon and Ancient Pathways resources
01:04:07 Future hope for Gobekli Tepe research