In Part 1 of this powerful two-part conversation, Andy Baker is joined by Ethan St Pierre, Dr Alice Loving and Azariah Hope to unpack what people most often get wrong about trauma, behaviour and labels. This episode explores why trauma is not always visible, why it should not be reduced to a single event, and how terms like attention seeking, manipulative, aggressive or perpetrator can block curiosity and shut down healing. For caregivers, teachers, parents and professionals, this is a thoughtful, honest discussion about fear, survival, identity and the danger of mistaking coping strategies for character flaws. If you support children, families or adults who have lived through adversity, this episode offers a more compassionate lens for understanding what behaviour might really be communicating.

Why listen to this episode? If you work with children, parents or families affected by trauma, this episode will help you slow down your assumptions and look beneath the surface. You will hear lived experience and professional insight side by side, including why trauma is often misread, why labels can become harmful, and how fear can sit underneath behaviours that services often judge too quickly. It is especially relevant for anyone in children’s social care, education, foster care, therapeutic support or parenting.

Three key messages:**

• Trauma is not always obvious, and it is often the lasting impact - not just the event itself - that shapes daily life, relationships and behaviour.
• Labels such as attention seeking, manipulative or aggressive can stop adults getting curious about what fear, stress or unmet need may be sitting underneath.
• Children and parents need spaces where behaviour is understood as communication, not just judged as risk, defiance or character failure.

Timestamps / chapters: 00:00 - Welcome and first reflections on what people get wrong about trauma 01:48 - Ethan on trauma, pain and post-traumatic growth 04:12 - Alice on trauma, impact and intergenerational harm 06:36 - Why trauma is not defined only by the event 07:59 - Hyperarousal, hypoarousal and how fear shows up in parents 16:12 - When behaviour gets labelled aggressive, manipulative or attention seeking 17:01 - Azariah on why labels can block understanding 19:20 - Labels, diagnosis and the damage done when people feel written off 42:46 - End of Part 1

Resources mentioned / relevant links: Hopeful Disrupter event, London, 5 June - details shared during the episode.

Ethan St Pierre Email: https://nurturingnaturecic.org/ Event: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-voice-at-the-table-learning-from-lived-experience-tickets-1985054684999 Email: https://www.linkedin.com/in/azariah-hope-6b90551b0/ Website: https://www.futuresrerooted.co.uk/ Instagram: https://able-training.co.uk/podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/able-training-ltd-/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/AbleTraining TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@abletocarepodcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@abletocarepodcast

Guest background: Ethan St Pierre brings direct lived experience, alongside his work as a trainer and public speaker. Dr Alice Loving is a Family Intervention Specialist with deep expertise in attachment, trauma, parenting and child protection. Azariah Hope brings direct lived experience of trauma, care, motherhood and social work involvement, and now works through Futures Rerooted to bridge gaps between communities and professionals.