A seminarian once wrote Fulton Sheen asking to write a master's thesis on his work, and Sheen wrote back telling him to write on G.K. Chesterton instead. Ahead of Sheen's beatification, Grettelyn Darkey and Joe Grabowski trace what the American broadcaster took from the English journalist—down to two passages read aloud here that turn out to be Chesterton with an American accent.

In This Episode:

• The 1925 request that started it: Sheen asked G.K. Chesterton to write the introduction to his first book, received "I know nothing about philosophy" in reply, and got the introduction anyway
• What Sheen wrote in his autobiography about where his style came from: Chesterton above all, with C.S. Lewis arriving later
• A priest's letter, published years afterward, recalling that Sheen told him to drop the thesis on Sheen and write on Chesterton
• Two passages read in full—one on why a child says "do it again," one on a drop of gutter water lifted into snow—and what in them comes straight out of the ethics of Elfland
• Sheen's distributism: the American extension of a critique he took from Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc, collected in a volume of his 1930s writing on communism

Resources Mentioned:

• God and Intelligence in Modern Philosophy by Fulton J. Sheen, with an introduction by G.K. Chesterton
• Treasure in Clay: The Autobiography of Fulton J. Sheen
• Chesterton's Marriage Proposal
• Justice & Charity by Fulton J. Sheen
• St. Austin Review

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Chapters:

• 00:00: A Chesterton podcast for the week of Fulton Sheen's beatification
• 01:09: How each host came to Sheen
• 04:14: Illinois, 1895: a quick bio of Fulton Sheen
• 09:20: An hour of preparation for every ten minutes of speaking
• 12:30: "I know nothing about philosophy": the 1925 meeting in London
• 15:25: What is actually known about Sheen at Chesterton's funeral
• 17:01: Treasure in Clay names Chesterton the greatest influence
• 21:37: Justice & Charity and Sheen's American distributism
• 24:40: A priest's letter: "Chesterton's the man"
• 28:39: "Do it again": Sheen on the eternal appetite of infancy
• 33:07: A drop of gutter water and the one thing saved for heaven
• 36:28: Musical lineage and the communion of saints

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Somebody once wrote a fairy tale where the quest that wins the princess was to find a single newspaper that didn't contain an article by G.K. Chesterton. Dr. Susan Hanssen wrote her doctoral dissertation on him and now teaches history at the University of Dallas, and she argues he's the hinge of what Adam Schwartz called the third spring of English Catholicism. She ends the episode reading Lepanto aloud.

In This Episode:

• Why G.K. Chesterton reached readers the Catholic converts before him never could. John Henry Newman was an Oxford man writing for an educated elite, and Gerard Manley Hopkins wrote poetry too esoteric for the common reader. Chesterton never went to university at all.
• The claim behind G.K. Chesterton's range: that he could start from any subject whatsoever, Victorian china shepherdesses included, and bring you back to a Christian understanding of the human person.
• Why nearly every movie preview is about the end of the world now, and how G.K. Chesterton was already correcting both Hegel's coming utopia and Oswald Spengler's inevitable decline.
• The essay in Heretics with the dull title that Dr. Hanssen calls the absolute cure for family troubles.
• What "the English-speaking world" actually meant in 1910, and why an illustrated London paper could put G.K. Chesterton in front of Gandhi in Calcutta and an oil widow in Texas.

Resources Mentioned:

• Dr. Hanssen's talk at this summer's Chesterton conference
• What I Saw in America by G.K. Chesterton
• Lepanto by G.K. Chesterton
• Heretics by G.K. Chesterton
• Literary Converts by Joseph Pearce

Chapters:

• 00:00: Introduction
• 00:30: Meeting Susan Hanssen, and a dissertation on Chesterton
• 02:53: The English-speaking world goes silent after the Reformation
• 07:35: Newman's second spring, and the third spring that followed
• 11:09: Belloc, the Latin south, and Chesterton as the Dickens of his age
• 14:30: High characters, middle characters, and the low characters Dickens let in
• 15:41: When the Mediterranean was the whole world, and then it wasn't
• 21:02: The illustrated papers, and writing for absolutely everyone
• 23:02: Three volumes that only list what he published
• 24:38: The fairy tale quest to find a paper without Chesterton in it
• 33:39: Chesterton the painter, and why his essays read like wet canvas
• 46:01: Lepanto, read aloud

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G.K. Chesterton spent his life writing about Our Lady, and the poems are still doing their work. Maria Romine, drama teacher at Chesterton Academy of St. Louis, traces her entry into the Catholic Church to a rosary handed to her in a gift shop, and her love of Chesterton to a poem about the Mother of God. On Our Lady's birthday, the conversation covers the Frances Chesterton Rosary League, saints on the high school stage, and Gilbert and Frances Chesterton as a model for married life.

• Chesterton's Marian poems, "A Little Litany" above all, did what no argument had: they sent one Presbyterian convert on a years-long search to understand how a man comes to write that way about the Mother of God.
• A Chesterton reading group in St. Louis began praying the rosary together, and within a few years an eager parent group had opened a Chesterton Academy there—a sequence the guest describes as the Holy Family finally getting its mother.
• Chesterton built a theater inside his own house and wrote plays for the neighborhood children; his play The Surprise dramatizes the idea that human makers work under God as subcreators.
• Memorizing a saint's words changes the actor who speaks them—the argument behind a Catholic high school's practice of building each year's production around a single saint.
• Freshmen learn two lines before they learn any steps: "May I have this dance" and "I would be delighted." Nobody can be rejected, so nobody has to be nervous.

• G.K. Chesterton and Our Lady, edited by Nancy Carpentier Brown, with an essay by Maria Romine
• The Surprise, G.K. Chesterton's play adapted for television by Dale Ahlquist
• The Frances Chesterton Rosary League
• Chesterton Academy of St. Louis on Instagram
• Chesterton Academy of St. Louis on Facebook

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• 00:00: Welcome, and a guest on Our Lady's birthday
• 01:25: A convert, a gift-shop rosary, and Our Lady's last nudge
• 03:47: Three strangers, one question: are you consecrated?
• 05:33: Chesterton's Marian poems, and the quest they started
• 09:20: A rosary league first, then a Chesterton school in St. Louis
• 12:40: The stage as an incarnational art, and Chesterton's play The Surprise
• 14:28: Playing saints, and what memorized words do to a student
• 19:07: Teaching English country dance to freshmen
• 21:19: "May I have this dance": two lines that end the awkwardness
• 23:57: Daily Mass, and becoming small versions of Gilbert and Frances
• 27:32: The Society as the Chestertons' extended godchildren
• 31:41: The Legion of Mary, and a Marian plan for October

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