For the first time, Zack and Josie recorded an episode of Two Plus Two entirely on their own—and they had plenty to talk about. They share the highs and lows of their first Naughty N’awlins experience, an event they had heard only positive things about.

In a little nod to their previous conversation about taboo, they stepped well outside their normal routine and had five back-to-back play experiences, playing every day they were there. They discuss the positives and negatives of doing that and share some unexpected consequences. They each weigh in on whether they would repeat five days of consecutive play and what they may do differently.

They attended workshops for the first time and experienced a dungeon tasting, where Josie was introduced to e-stim and the violet wand. She enjoyed the experience enough to purchase a violet wand of her own from The Dungeon Store.

And then there’s the secret Brad repeatedly teased them about: How can you tell whether a play session is going to be good before you actually play? Zack and Josie finally reveal what they believe is the answer and discuss whether they would still play if they suspected the experience might not be great—or simply walk away and have sex with each other instead.

Josie also reveals a shift in her mindset from “give me reasons to say yes” to “give me reasons to say no,” leading to a conversation about how their approach to play has evolved. They briefly share their experience at Colette and invite listeners to weigh in on whether they prioritize quantity or quality in their own experiences by joining the conversation on Peaches’nCream.

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(00:00:00) Overall vibe of Naughty N’awlins and host hotels

(00:06:27) Our first ever workshops

(00:14:42) Dungeon tasting and the violet wand

(00:19:50) We made connections prior to the event

(00:26:31) We were naughty at Naughty

(00:28:04) Our experience of Colette

(00:31:56) Back to back play experiences

(00:37:58) Quality over quantity

(00:40:28) The negatives at Naughty

(00:42:51) The health related negatives after Naughty

(00:47:27) What we’ll do differently next time

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Resources

Book a Cruise or Your Trip to Temptation or Desire

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The Dungeon Store

www.TheDungeonStore.com

Genie and Dr. G join Zack and Josie for their first appearance on the podcast. For more than a decade, they have created lifestyle events designed to give couples—and eventually singles—a safe, discreet and inclusive place to explore their sexuality. Through Genie Wishes, Arizona Fantasy Club and their fastest-growing group, Hot Wife Community, consent and respect are at the heart of everything they do.

The conversation explores what it means to participate in a lifestyle that society often considers taboo. Genie and Dr. G share how their upbringings and societal expectations shaped their views about sex, relationships, guilt and shame—and how challenging those expectations has led to personal growth.

They also discuss vulnerability between partners, creating a safe space for difficult conversations, making propositions without creating pressure, and how to handle a “no” with love and respect.

It’s an honest conversation about challenging the rules people are taught to follow, embracing vulnerability, and discovering what can happen when couples give themselves permission to explore the parts of their sexuality that society tells them should remain taboo.

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(00:00:00) Safety, consent and discretion are the cornerstones

(00:10:54) Genie Wishes and Arizona Fantasy Club

(00:12:33) Hot Wife Community

(00:17:08) Reframing sex and the Vegas mindset

(00:20:33) Societal and familial expectations and conditioning

(00:27:31) Gay clubs are great for dancing

(00:33:28) Dr. G’s upbringing and what other people think

(00:36:54) Being vulnerable and creating a safe space for taboo subjects

(00:41:27) Navigating propositions and conversations with respect

(00:45:04) Reactions, responses and disappointment

(00:47:44) Stigma of bisexuality for both men and women

(00:55:14) Shame and guilt

(01:00:44) Processing negative experiences

(01:05:02) Internal and external struggles

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Resources

Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire

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Dr. G & Genie's Groups

Arizona Fantasy Club

https://arizonafantasyclub.com/

Hot Wife Community

https://hotwifecommunity.com/

Genie Wishes

https://www.geniewishesevents.com/

Zack and Josie welcome new guests Rick and Gwen for a conversation about their unique journey navigating the lifestyle together. After meeting a little over a year ago, the two began building their connection while exploring how the lifestyle would fit into their relationship.

When they met, Gwen was already a unicorn in the lifestyle, while Rick brought extensive experience as a pleasure Dom. Together, they have had to navigate the changes that came with shifting from individual experiences to exploring as a couple. They share the growing pains, lessons learned, and how they continue to support each other’s interests and desires.

Gwen talks about how she discovered the lifestyle and what keeps her drawn to it, while Rick shares his journey of finding a place for his BDSM interests with partners who genuinely enjoy those dynamics.

The conversation also dives into the challenges singles often face in the lifestyle, including feelings of loneliness and navigating connections without the built-in support of a partner. Rick and Gwen discuss the differences between solo experiences and couple experiences, including the unique bond couples can build when they reconnect and share their adventures together.

This episode explores connection, communication, evolving roles, and the ways relationships can grow when partners embrace each other’s authentic selves.

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(00:00:00) Gwen’s journey into the lifestyle as a unicorn

(00:05:52) Rick’s BDSM journey

(00:09:55) BDSM doesn’t interest Gwen, but she respects his desire for it

(00:12:11) The pleasure Dom

(00:18:00) Rick and Gwen met on Feeld

(00:22:42) Building a relationship while navigating the lifestyle together

(00:26:57) Perceptions and expectations

(00:32:25) Prejudice, judgment and communication

(00:37:24) Adventure, community and connection

(00:40:59) The octopus

(00:46:50) Parallel play, play dynamics

(00:50:42) Navigating feelings and connections

(00:55:48) Chemistry, emotional connection and meaningful love

(01:00:31) Attraction and communicating interest

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Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.

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Resources

Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire

https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/

Rick’s Photography Business

​​https://www.instagram.com/polymathphoto

Gwen’s Coaching Business

https://theopendynamic.com/