Zack and Josie are back with Drew and Suzie—and this time, the conversation dives into the dynamics of new vs. repeat play.

They kick things off with a bold question: what’s the perfect size? Josie and Suzie quickly find themselves in agreement—and their reasoning sets the tone for a fun, unfiltered conversation.

From there, the conversation turns to what really drives desire. Zack says all he needs is mutual attraction, but Josie pushes back, arguing that context, energy, and connection play a much bigger role. While Zack and Josie admit they’re often open to new, in-the-moment opportunities, Drew and Suzie lean toward repeat experiences—where trust, comfort, and deeper exploration can take things further.

That leads to a conversation about the “script.” Zack jokes that most couples stick to a familiar playbook, while Drew and Suzie are working with a much more expansive “menu.” They share how curiosity, communication, and a willingness to explore have shaped their experiences—and how they even help others expand theirs.

And in the end, Zack shares the mindset shift that’s helped him enjoy it all more: letting go of expectations and simply being present for whatever unfolds.

So… is it better to chase something new, or deepen something familiar?

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(00:00:00) AWG: The perfect penis

(00:04:01) It there’s mutual attraction, I’m good to play

(00:06:49) Context and novelty vs familiarity

(00:10:54) Exchange of energy plays a big role in interest

(00:12:02) Familiarity is more important than novelty

(00:16:30) Voyeurism, compersion and Easy Bake Ovens

(00:19:10) Going ‘off script’ and keeping things spicy

(00:24:04) It’s exciting to help other people explore their sexuality

(00:25:54) I don’t know what I don’t know

(00:27:42) Vulnerability creates opportunities for new experiences

(00:28:58) Sounding…are you into it?

(00:32:05) How do you broaden your sex menu

(00:35:29) Regretting the things you did do vs the things you didn’t do

(00:36:29) Expanding our sex menu

(00:39:53) Prescheduled weekend dynamics

(00:42:53) Making the best of every situation

(00:45:18) Letting go of anticipation to enjoy the moment you’re in

(00:47:32) Expanding your sex menu

(00:49:56) Finding other couples with extensive sex menus

(00:53:10) We’ve had some amazing play experiences

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Zack and Josie are joined once again by Drew and Suzie as they unpack their first Bliss Cruise experience—while also explaining why they’ve come to jokingly refer to their Virgin Voyages trips as “Swinger Light.”

From their first Bliss sailing—dubbed The Sexy Sampler Cruise—to comparing the overall vibe, they dive into the differences between the two cruise experiences. They break down everything from cost and crowd to how (and where) people express themselves, both subtly and unapologetically.

But what truly sets Bliss apart? The intention behind it. Together, they reflect on how the meet ‘n greets, workshops, and curated experiences create a sense of connection and inclusivity for every dynamic, every curiosity, and every comfort level.

One of the most powerful moments of the episode comes when Drew opens up about a deeply personal experience in the dungeon on the final night. As someone who’s used to being in control in every area of his life, stepping into a submissive role offered something unexpected—a release. Supported by Suzie and Lady Lethal, the experience became more than just physical; it created an intense emotional connection between the couple that carried far beyond that night.

Zack and Josie reflect on their own journey this cruise—why it ended up being their favorite Bliss experience yet, despite not loving the ship itself. By letting go of expectations and focusing on what they genuinely enjoy, they found themselves in more organic, meaningful moments.

They also revisit the highly anticipated Dance ‘n Play, sharing why it didn’t quite hit the same this time—and how something as simple as room layout can completely shift the energy of a space.

From instant connections with new couples to lessons on trust, communication, and trying things more than once, this episode is a mix of playful honesty and deeper reflection on what makes these experiences so impactful.

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(00:00:00) ‘Swinger Light’ Virgin Cruises

(00:01:33) Our first Bliss Cruise…the Sexy Sampler

(00:03:42) Finding lifestyle people on a vanilla [Virgin] cruise

(00:05:28) Dressing provocatively on a vanilla cruise

(00:07:24) Cruising for foodies

(00:08:12) Cost comparison Bliss vs Virgin

(00:10:42) Bliss meet ‘n greets and workshops

(00:14:08) Drew, Suzie and Lady Lethal

(00:23:23) Organic experiences are the best experiences

(00:26:35) Dance ‘n Play: daytime foam parties vs evening playroom

(00:31:45) Do anything at least twice

(00:34:40) Trust in your partner and your agreements

(00:41:24) We meet a couple we clicked with immediately

(00:42:52) We missed the Royal Caribbean Promenade and dance floor

(00:48:25) Parting thoughts

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Zack and Josie kick off a new chapter of Two Plus Two with a subtle shift in format before welcoming back fan-favorite guest co-hosts Drew and Suzie (formerly known as Luke and Rickie from Episode 41).

Together, they dive into their pre–Bliss Cruise adventures in Fort Lauderdale—starting with their first visit to Trapeze and the high-energy hotel meet ‘n greet. From the moment they walk in, they break down what makes Trapeze unique: the electric dance floor, the layout, the vibe, and how the space creates opportunities for both connection and exploration.

They discuss expectations vs. hopes, what it’s like to go into a shared experience together but come away with completely different perspectives, and why the best moments are often the ones that aren’t planned.

Zack and Josie also share highlights from a couple of memorable connections, offering just enough detail to help listeners decide if Trapeze—or a pre-cruise meet-up—is right for them.

They wrap with thoughts on connecting before events, Telegram group dynamics, and why they would absolutely attend the meet ‘n greet again.

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(00:00:00) Two Plus Two transition

(00:02:53) Welcome Drew and Suzie (FKA Luke and Rickie)

(00:05:40) First Trapeze experience was a complete chapter

(00:10:49) Organic experiences are the best experiences

(00:12:25) Experiences are different even in shared experiences

(00:13:58) Sometimes the best experiences are the once that stretch us

(00:15:17) Trapeze layout

(00:20:17) We went in together…but not everyone played

(00:23:28) Expectations vs hopes

(00:26:21) We did more of the things we enjoy doing

(00:28:01) Enjoy all the layers and meet new people

(00:31:48) Zack explored an incredible connection

(00:37:56) It got so hot, we triggered the fire alarm

(00:40:34) Connecting ahead of the cruise on Telegram chat

(00:42:02) We would do the Meet ‘n Greet again

(00:45:26) The shorter M-F cruise was great

(00:47:00) Telegram chats and rejection

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