In this episode of Trust and Influence in B2B Marketing, Joel Harrison sits down with Skip Fidura, Fractional CMO, Non-Executive Director, and Board Advisor with over 20 years of experience across B2B and B2C marketing on the client, agency, and provider sides. The fractional CMO model is having a moment—but is it a real structural shift in marketing leadership, or just a buzzword that's been marketered up? And what does its rapid rise reveal about how organizations truly value marketing?

➡️ Skip has been working fractionally since before it was fashionable, and he doesn't hold back. He breaks down the real distinctions between a fractional CMO, a consultant, and a contractor—and why getting that wrong can cost organizations dearly. He explores the cost and structural forces driving the fractional trend, from cash-strapped scale-ups to founders seeking an exit strategy. Skip also addresses the harder truths: how marketing's long-standing failure to speak the language of finance has made it easier for businesses to sideline strategic marketing in favor of cheaper, more piecemeal solutions. He shares how trust is built (and lost) when you're only present part-time, and offers a grounded take on whether this model is a genuine step forward—or a warning sign for the profession. If you're weighing up a move to fractional, hiring one, or simply trying to understand where senior B2B marketing leadership is headed, this is essential listening.

Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction to the Fractional CMO Trend

02:13 - Defining the Fractional CMO Role

05:00 - Fractional vs. Consultant vs. Contractor

07:10 - Why the Term "Fractional" Has Exploded

09:00 - How Skip Got Into Fractional Work

10:30 - Cost and Structural Drivers Behind the Model

13:35 - Marketing's Place in the Revenue Function

18:20 - The Fractional CMO in Unstable or Transitioning Orgs

21:55 - Marketing's Failure to Speak the Language of Finance

25:00 - Is a Little Marketing Better Than No Marketing?

28:00 - How Fractional CMOs Build Trust

31:45 - The Gig Economy and the Fractional Lifestyle

34:45 - Is the Fractional Model Here to Stay?

Follow Skip Fidura,

linkedin.com/in/skipfidura

If you care about making B2B marketing more meaningful, useful, and memorable, this conversation is for you. It's honest, reflective, and packed with takeaways that can help elevate your approach to thought leadership—whether you're a content creator, strategist, or brand leader.

🌐Visit Joel Harrison's website to explore exclusive reports, upcoming events, and join the B2B marketing community ➡️ https://www.joelharrisonb2b.com/

💬What do you think comes first—proving marketing's ROI or earning a seat at the leadership table? Let us know in the comments below.

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Agentic AI is one of the most talked-about developments in B2B right now — but most marketers haven't yet asked the question that matters most: what happens to buyer trust when an AI agent starts acting on their behalf?

In this episode, Joel Harrison speaks with Andy Johnson, founder and director of client strategy at HUT3, one of the most respected ABM agencies in B2B and one of the earliest adopters of agentic AI in the industry. Andy and his team haven't just been watching this technology evolve — they've been actively building with it for the past three years.

Andy makes a case that will surprise many listeners: that agentic AI, done properly, isn't a threat to buyer trust — it's one of the most powerful ways to build it. But get it wrong, and you're not just making a single mistake. You're scaling bad decisions fast, across your entire account base.

In this episode you'll learn:

• What agentic AI actually means in plain language — and why it represents a genuine step change, not just another AI product
• Why trust in B2B is already being broken by human failures — and how agentic workflows are designed to fix them
• The real risks: scaling bad decisions fast, fragmented data systems, and the governance gap most organisations haven't addressed
• Who's accountable when an AI agent gets something wrong — and how well-designed workflows should handle it
• What the buyer actually cares about when it comes to AI-driven communications (the answer may surprise you)
• How the marketer's role is changing — and why Andy's team has grown, not shrunk, on the back of building agentic AI workflows
• Where Andy sees this all heading by 2030 — and what B2B marketers should be doing right now to get ready

About Andy Johnson

Andy Johnson is founder and director of client strategy at HUT3, an award-winning ABM agency operating across the B2B landscape. HUT3 have been among the earliest agencies to move from talking about agentic AI to building with it, developing workflows across research, content creation, personalisation and campaign activation. Andy brings over 30 years of experience in account-based marketing to his thinking on how AI is reshaping the discipline.

Resources and links

• Find out more about HUT3 at hut3.co.uk
• Connect with Andy Johnson on LinkedIn
• Subscribe to the Trust & Influence in B2B podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube
• Read the accompanying LinkedIn newsletter article: Can you orchestrate trust with AI agents?

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In this episode of Trust and Influence in B2B Marketing, Joel Harrison sits down with Kristen Esto, Founder of Customer Influence, a specialist influencer and creator marketing agency. They explore what the data actually tells us about how influencer marketing works in B2B—and what it reveals often runs completely counter to conventional wisdom. Could the most powerful tool in modern B2B marketing be the one you're not using yet?

➡️ Drawing on an AI-assisted analysis of over a thousand award entries from the B2B Marketing Awards and Elevation Awards (2024–2025), Joel and Kristen walk through five key trends shaping B2B influencer marketing today. Kristen—who brings more than a decade of paid media and data experience to her three years as a creator marketing specialist—shares why niche trade influencers consistently beat high-reach celebrities, why loosening brand control actually drives better performance, and how leading brands are connecting influencer activity directly to ABM platforms and pipeline. They also tackle the case for long-term influencer partnerships and why experiences like factory visits or live events produce content that brief-based campaigns simply can't replicate. Balanced, practical, and refreshingly free of hype, this is essential listening for any B2B marketer wondering whether influencer marketing belongs in their toolkit.

Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction to B2B Influencer Marketing

02:14 - Kristen's Background in the Creator Economy

04:00 - How the Analysis Was Conducted Using AI

05:03 - Trend 1: The Credibility Discount – Why Niche Beats Celebrity

09:03 - Finding the Right Influencers for B2B

12:39 - Trend 2: The Control Paradox – Why Freedom Outperforms Scripts

17:00 - Building Brand Alignment Without Brand Control

20:33 - Trend 3: The Pipeline Connection – Linking Influencers to Revenue

25:24 - Making Influencer Measurement Work for Your Team

27:17 - Trend 4: The Relationship Compound – Long-Term vs. One-Off Partnerships

31:24 - The Case for Long-Term Influencer Partnerships

33:02 - Trend 5: The Experience Dividend – Real-World Content vs. Brief-Based Content

38:42 - Summary and Key Takeaways

Follow Kristen Esto,

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristen-sesto/

https://customerinfluence.co.uk

If you care about making B2B marketing more meaningful, useful, and memorable, this conversation is for you. It's honest, reflective, and packed with takeaways that can help elevate your approach to thought leadership—whether you're a content creator, strategist, or brand leader.

🌐Visit Joel Harrison's website to explore exclusive reports, upcoming events, and join the B2B marketing community ➡️ https://www.joelharrisonb2b.com/

💬What do you think comes first—finding the right influencer or building the right brief? Let us know in the comments below.

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Marketing is often described as a profession that welcomes everyone. The reality is rather different. Entry still depends too heavily on who you know, which school you attended, and whether marketing even appeared on your radar as a viable career path. For many people — particularly those from non-traditional or underrepresented backgrounds — the door into our profession remains firmly closed.

In this episode, Joel is joined by Martin Troughton, chairman of the Marketing Skills Trust — a charity established in part through a legacy from Professor Derek Holder, founder of the IDM, specifically to help the next generation access marketing as a career.

Martin brings a rare dual perspective: co-founder of Harrison Troughton Wunderman, one of the UK's most awarded direct marketing agencies, and a subsequent fifteen years on the client side. That breadth shapes a conversation that is frank, personal, and at times quietly powerful.

They discuss:

1. Why marketing remains a predominantly white, middle-class profession — and what that costs us creatively and commercially
2. The work the Marketing Skills Trust is doing to change who gets in, from funding the Brixton Finishing School's outreach programme to running the Dogs Legacy events for early-career starters
3. How AI makes the case for diversity stronger, not weaker — and why curiosity, storytelling and human insight are the skills that endure
4. What agency and client-side careers demand from talent — and why the industry is too quick to put people in boxes
5. The story of Guy Lambert: told by Ogilvy he wasn't smart enough for their graduate scheme, he went on to become their MD

If you lead a marketing team or agency, there's also a practical ask: the Trust's Hour of Power programme lets senior practitioners donate an hour of their time to raise money for the next generation. It's a small commitment with a meaningful impact.

Find out more and support the Marketing Skills Trust at marketingskillstrust.org.uk

In this episode of Trust and Influence in B2B Marketing, Joel Harrison sits down with Andrew Mildren, MD of Edelman Business Marketing for EMEA, to dig into the 2026 Edelman Trust Barometer — based on nearly 34,000 responses across 28 countries. The headline finding is sobering: 70% of people globally now hold what Edelman calls an insular trust mindset, retreating into familiar circles and becoming reluctant to trust those who hold different views or values. And yet, businesses have held the title of most trusted institution since 2021. So what's driving this contradiction — and what must B2B marketers do about it?

➡️ Andrew brings Edelman's 26 years of trust expertise to the table and offers both clear diagnosis and practical direction. He explains the concept of "trust brokering" — where businesses act not as side-takers, but as facilitators bridging divided groups — and highlights examples from Microsoft and IKEA doing this credibly. He breaks down why insularity is no longer just a societal issue but a bottom-line business problem, affecting productivity, retention, and leadership. The conversation also explores local versus global trust dynamics, AI's growing impact on how content and companies are discovered, and closes with five concrete actions B2B marketers should be taking now — including treating trust as a commercial metric and building a GEO (generative engine optimization) strategy.

Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction to the Edelman Trust Barometer

01:16 - What You'll Learn in This Episode

02:14 - The Secret Behind 26 Years of Trust Research

04:36 - Evolving Themes: From Polarization to Insularity

07:59 - The Insular Trust Mindset: What's Driving It

10:51 - Why Business Is the Most Trusted Institution

14:56 - Trust Brokering: What It Means in Practice

17:21 - Navigating Divisive Issues in B2B

21:00 - Local vs. Global Trust: Going Poly-National

24:47 - Insularity as a Bottom-Line Business Issue

27:06 - AI's Role in Shaping Trust

32:19 - Five Things B2B Marketers Should Do Now

35:32 - Closing Thoughts & Where to Find the Report

Follow Andrew Mildren,

https://linkedin.com/in/andrewmildren/

https://edelman.com

If you care about making B2B marketing more meaningful, useful, and memorable, this conversation is for you. It's honest, reflective, and packed with takeaways that can help elevate your approach to thought leadership — whether you're a content creator, strategist, or brand leader.

🌐Visit Joel Harrison's website to explore exclusive reports, upcoming events, and join the B2B marketing community ➡️ https://www.joelharrisonb2b.com/

💬What do you think comes first — rebuilding trust from the inside out, or leading with bold external communications? Let us know in the comments below.

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