Robby shares a personal and ministry update as Trueface enters a major new season. We talk through family life with eight kids, preparing for his first sabbatical, the emotional and mental exhaustion that comes from leading through growth, and the deeper vision behind GROW — a new discipleship initiative designed to help churches create authentic transformation and relational discipleship at scale.

We also unpack the tension many churches feel around discipleship today: why “know more, do better” keeps people stuck, how grace reshapes spiritual growth, and why authentic community may become one of the church’s greatest opportunities in the years ahead. Along the way, Robby shares stories about the Trueface team, future projects, the upcoming Path album, and why this season feels both overwhelming and deeply hopeful.

What We Learned

• Discipleship is the process of growing in love of God and others.
• Most churches struggle to define effective discipleship and develop enough healthy leaders.
• “Know more, do better” creates striving, while “trust and receive” produces transformation.
• Authentic community is becoming increasingly rare — and increasingly necessary.
• Leadership culture shapes spiritual growth more than systems or programming.
• Robby believes the church has a unique opportunity to meet the next generation’s longing for real connection.
• Sabbatical is not just physical rest — mental and spiritual rest matter too.
• Transformation happens when we replace lies with truth in the context of relationships.

Resources Mentioned

Trueface Journey

The Path

RightNow Media | Streaming Video Library of Bible Studies

Christian Family Camps in Texas & South Carolina | Pine Cove

Refuge Foundation — Pure Charity

Grow Disciples Conference

The War of Worldviews by Jamie Winship

My First Thirty Quiet Times by Ty Saltzgiver

Live Loved by Ty Saltzgiver

Produced by Sound of a Rose — https://soundofarose.com

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What if the freedom we’re longing for is on the other side of being fully known?

In part two of our conversation with Jeff Kemp, we explore what it really means to trust others and step into the kind of relationships we were made for. We talk about the tension we all feel—the desire to be known and the fear of being exposed—and how that keeps us stuck in shallow connections. Jeff shares how daily rhythms of remembering our identity in God can quiet our need for approval and free us to show up honestly.

We unpack the difference between surface-level friendships and what Jeff calls “level five” relationships—intentional, consistent, and deeply transformative. Together, we wrestle with why so many of us settle for less, how isolation is quietly shaping our lives, and what it looks like to pursue real friendship with courage.

We also get practical about how to move toward deeper connection, why small groups aren’t the destination but a starting point, and how vulnerability, trust, and consistency create space for true life change.

This conversation is an invitation—to stop doing life solo and step into the kind of relationships where we can be fully known, fully loved, and continually pointed back to truth.

Resources:

• Jeff’s Ministry: MenHuddle.com
• Free license to listen to the AUDIObook of RECEIVE: THE WAY OF JESUS FOR MEN, narrated by Jeff Kemp on AudioOne app: https://one-audiobooks.oneaudiobooks.com/receive_the_way_of_jesus_for_men_leaders_vip
• Free weekly text to grow core friendships: CORE3COACHING.com
• The Father’s Gifts diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13LG7IdBktNY8AsnO36tzAGSjKz4eo7Y4/view?usp=sharing

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What if the version of us we’re striving to become is actually keeping us from experiencing the freedom we already have?

In this conversation, we sit down with former NFL quarterback Jeff Kemp to unpack the subtle but powerful ways we chase significance, compare ourselves, and quietly believe we’re not enough. Together, we explore how performance—whether in sports, ministry, or everyday life—can shape our identity and fuel a constant striving for “future us” to finally measure up.

We reflect on the tension between our God-given desires for impact and the hidden idols that form when those desires become ultimate. Jeff shares vulnerably about his own journey through insecurity, comparison, and the pressure of expectations—and how God began to reframe everything through a deeper understanding of sonship, identity, and grace.

We talk about what it actually looks like to receive our identity instead of earn it, how daily rhythms with God reshape our perspective, and why true freedom begins with believing we are already fully loved, approved, and secure.

This episode is an invitation to stop chasing significance—and start living from it.

Resources:

• Jeff’s Ministry: MenHuddle.com
• Free license to listen to the Audiobook of RECEIVE: THE WAY OF JESUS FOR MEN, narrated by Jeff Kemp on AudioOne app: https://one-audiobooks.oneaudiobooks.com/receive_the_way_of_jesus_for_men_leaders_vip
• Free weekly text to grow core friendships: CORE3COACHING.com
• The Father’s Gifts diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13LG7IdBktNY8AsnO36tzAGSjKz4eo7Y4/view?usp=sharing

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