In this deeply honest conversation, Pastor Derwin Gray and renowned neuroscientist Dr. Daniel Amen explore God’s pathway to healing for those carrying trauma, shame, and persistent inner pain. Drawing from both Scripture and neuroscience, they discuss how healing begins with honesty—naming what happened—and continues through renewing the mind, accepting hard realities, and choosing to live from God’s love rather than striving for it. Pastor Derwin shares personal stories of forgiveness, including his journey to forgive his father, emphasizing that Jesus meets us in our wounds and can turn our scars into testimonies of grace. Dr. Amen highlights the brain’s capacity for renewal and the importance of aligning scientific insights with biblical truth. Ultimately, the episode invites listeners into a healing journey marked by forgiveness, freedom, and transformed relationships, calling the church to be a community that transfers healing, not hurt, as people experience God’s grace and restoration.

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In this episode of the Transforming the Church Podcast, Pastor Derwin Gray sits down with best-selling author, preacher, and church leader Hosanna Wong for an honest and hope-filled conversation about healing, grace, and leadership. Drawing from Hosanna’s powerful personal story—growing up in a family transformed by Jesus amid addiction and street life—the episode explores the urgent need for healing within the church and among its leaders.

Derwin and Hosanna discuss the dangers of unaddressed wounds, the difference between behavioral modification and true transformation, and the role of grace in overcoming shame while discussing Pastor Derwin's new book It's Time To Heal. With wisdom rooted in Scripture, real-life experiences, and neuroscience, they challenge leaders to seek healing for themselves so they can lead others from a place of authenticity and freedom. The episode highlights practical steps for embracing God’s healing, underscores the importance of inviting Jesus into our deepest pain, and offers encouragement for anyone longing to walk in wholeness.

Listeners will come away inspired to pursue genuine healing, equipped with practical insight, and reminded that the journey toward restoration begins not with self-sufficiency, but with surrender to the amazing grace of Jesus.

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What if the very pain that has broken you could become the pathway to your greatest healing? In this powerful conversation, Pastor Derwin and Vicki unpack the heart behind Pastor Derwin's new book, *It's Time to Heal: Four God-Given Steps to Restore What Life Has Shattered*—a message born not from theory, but from their own raw, courageous journey through trauma and transformation. Drawing from John 5:6, where Jesus asks a man paralyzed for decades, "Do you want to be made well?" Pastor Derwin reveals that healing begins with a vulnerable yes—because Jesus doesn't heal a future version of us, He heals the real us. With wisdom rooted in both Scripture and neuroscience, Pastor Derwin reframes suffering through the lens of post-traumatic growth, reminding us that the villain and the hero share the same origin story: pain. The difference is what you do with it. Vicki's voice adds tender authenticity, affirming that healing isn't linear, but God wastes nothing. Don't stay stuck in familiar pain—pre-order multiple copies of *It's Time to Heal* today and begin passing down healing instead of hurt to the next generation, for the glory of King Jesus.

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• More from Derwin: www.derwinlgray.com and www.transformationchurch.tc/podcast

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