This week on Thick No More, Jay sits down with performance coach, speaker, and author Pamela Cass, whose story will resonate with anyone who has ever felt invisible, “not enough,” or misunderstood.

Diagnosed with dyslexia at age seven in 1977, Pamela spent her childhood being pulled out of class, whispered about, and shrinking herself to survive. At home, she hid in a hallway closet hoping someone would notice she was missing. No one did.

Today, she calls her dyslexia a quiet gift — the very thing that built her resilience, empathy, creativity, and purpose.

In this powerful conversation, we talk about:

• Growing up dyslexic when support didn’t exist

• Feeling invisible as a child and how that shapes adulthood

• The emotional weight of hiding dyslexia/ADHD in the workplace

• Burnout, and walking away from a VP role

• Why she wouldn’t change anything about her past

• How to discover your own “gift” through the things that put you in flow

• The grounding technique that changed Jay’s public speaking forever

• Her new book The Quiet Gift — and the mission behind it

If you’ve ever wished you could go back and “fix” your past… this episode will help you see that your story may be the exact message someone else needs.

🌐 Website: PamelaCass.com
📘 The Quiet Gift on Amazon: PamelaCass.com/thequietgift
📲 Instagram: @pam.cass70
💼 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/pamelacass-realtor

Connect With Pamela Cass

🎙️ Thick No More – Episode 1: John O’Shea | NeuroSpicy, Resilience & Rediscovering Yourself

What happens when your life completely unravels your marriage ends, your job’s gone, your home’s gone and you realise you’ve been living with undiagnosed ADHD and dyslexia for decades?

In this powerful first video episode of Thick No More, host Jay Giddens sits down with John O’Shea, founder of NeuroSpicy and author of the new book NeuroSpicy: The Raw and Honest Story of a Neurodivergent Mind.

John opens up about hitting rock bottom, finding strength through self-discipline, meditation, and fitness and how that journey led him to finally understand his neurodivergent brain. Together, Jay and John talk openly about:
💥 Growing up dyslexic and being called “thick” in school
💥 The moment everything fell apart and the fight to rebuild
💥 How a diagnosis at 56 changed everything
💥 Why ADHD isn’t a “deficit” it’s an overload of ideas
💥 Why our education system still fails neurodivergent kids
💥 Turning pain into purpose through NeuroSpicy
💥 What “Thick No More” really means

It’s raw, emotional, funny, and completely real two men talking openly about neurodiversity, failure, redemption, and the power of finally understanding who you are.

📘 Get John’s book: https://neurospicy.life
🎧 Follow John on Instagram: @neurospicy66
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🔔 Subscribe to Thick No More for honest conversations about dyslexia, ADHD, and the journey from feeling “broken” to realising you were never broken at all.

Autistic self-advocate and tech leader Shea Belsky (Tech Lead @ HubSpot; ex-CTO & co-founder at Mentra; host of Autistic Techie) joins Thick No More to flip old labels into real strengths. We go back to his early years and diagnosis, talk sensory needs and self-advocacy, and get practical about what leaders miss—and how simple changes create belonging and better work.

In this episode:

• “Born This Way” and owning identity

• Early diagnosis vs. today’s language and pop-culture stereotypes

• School, sensory triggers, and finding environments that work

• From Cornell to tech leadership: disclosure, boundaries, and growth

• The business case for inclusion (and the cost of getting it wrong)

• ERGs, remote/hybrid work, and universal design that helps everyone

• Advice for leaders (what to do Monday morning)

• Advice for “hiders” at work: asking for what you need, safely

If this resonated, share it with a friend—and remember: labels are just words. We’re here to change the narrative.

• Website: shaebelsky.com

• Email: hello@shaebelsky.com

• Podcast: Autistic Techie (available on all major platforms)

• LinkedIn: Shea Belsky (search by name)

Connect with Shea

Diagnosed & Dumped — with Beth Thomas (ADHD/ND Life Coach, Neurodivergent by Design)

This week, Jay sits down with Beth Thomas — ADHD & neurodivergent life coach, neuroinclusion trainer, and founder of Neurodivergent by Design — to talk honestly about being “diagnosed & dumped,” why so many adults still feel stuck after assessment, and what good support actually looks like at work and at home.

Beth shares her late-diagnosis journey, the pressure of growing up “gifted,” and how reframing perfectionism, people-pleasing, and RSD can unlock real change. We dig into Access to Work (what’s great, what’s broken), common mistakes companies make, and simple, low-cost adjustments that create safer, more productive teams. Beth also walks through her 1:1 coaching ethos (no coaching someone to cope in an unfit environment) and her self-paced course, Neurodivergent by Design: From Exhausted to Empowered.

• “Diagnosed & dumped” why assessments often end with no real aftercare

• Access to Work: backlogs, decisions, and what to do next

• Workplace myths: “standardised fixes” and “it’ll be expensive”

• Practical wins: boundaries, energy management, assertive comms

• Beth’s theme tune: “Leave a Light On” (Tom Walker, acoustic)

• A listener offer for Beth’s course (see below)

• Website (free call + all socials): https://www.beth-thomas.co.uk/ Beth Thomas

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beth-thomas-0a6800244/ LinkedIn

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unboundmindcoaching/ Instagram

🎁 Listener Offer: Beth has kindly offered 25% off her Neurodivergent by Design self-study course. Code is TNM25

🎙 Thick No More – Season 2, Episode 1: From Performative to Practiced Inclusion — Fixing Workplace Neurodiversity

Welcome to Season 2 of Thick No More, the podcast that challenges old narratives about neurodiversity, inclusion, and what it really means to thrive at work. In this powerful opening episode, host Jay Giddens sits down with Trisha S. Daho, founder and CEO of Empowered Leadership & Culture (EmpoweredLC) an international people and culture strategist helping organisations move from performative to practiced inclusion.

Trisha built her career as a Partner at a Big Four accounting firm, leading diverse teams and driving measurable, lasting change. Today, she works with firms across the US, UK, and Europe to build cultures that grow people and performance, not just profits.

🔊 In this conversation:

• Why so few UK companies (under 1%) are Disability Confident and how ignorance, not malice, keeps progress stuck.

• What it really takes for leaders to build neuroinclusive workplaces that empower, not exclude.

• How self-awareness is the foundation of effective leadership and why most DEI programs fail without it.

• The small, simple actions that make a massive difference for employees who are “hiding” in plain sight.

• How inclusive hiring should start by asking: “What do we really need and why?” instead of filtering by CVs, psychometric tests, or outdated assumptions.

• The “magic wand” moment: what Trisha would have every CEO say tomorrow to transform trust across their teams.

• Why “you’re not going to struggle on my watch” might just be the most powerful leadership promise of all.

Trisha’s insights are deeply human, practical, and refreshingly direct. Her work strips away the corporate jargon and focuses on truth, courage, and creating real belonging where everyone can show up as their full selves.

💬 Key takeaway:
Inclusion isn’t a checkbox. It’s a covenant a mutual commitment between leaders and teams to meet people where they are, to listen, adapt, and make change that lasts.

✨ About Trisha S. Daho
Trisha is the Founder and CEO of Empowered Leadership & Culture, helping global firms evolve from traditional power structures to inclusive, high-performing environments. She has decades of experience leading cultural transformation and advising executives on inclusion strategy, leadership accountability, and sustainable change.

📧 Contact Trisha:
📩 Email: trisha@empoweredlc.com
🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/trishadaho
🌍 Website: www.empoweredlc.com

Even if you just want to bounce ideas or start a conversation about inclusive leadership, Trisha welcomes your message.

🎧 Host: Jay Giddens
Thick No More is a podcast for anyone who’s ever been labelled, misunderstood, or underestimated and for leaders ready to rethink what inclusion really looks like in practice.

🧠 Listen. Learn. Lead.
Because there are no labels and there are no limits.

🎵 Music Credit:
Intro music by Cris Lowis.

🎙️ Thick No More – Season 1 Finale with Katherine Perry

This week marks the end of Season 1 of Thick No More and it couldn’t be wrapped up by anyone more fitting than Katherine Perry. Katherine is a dynamic leader, strategist, and advocate whose personal story of growing up with dyslexia and dyscalculia has shaped a career dedicated to accessibility, inclusion, and challenging stigma.

She’s best known for her time as CEO of BATA (the British Assistive Technology Association), where she drove forward conversations about assistive technology, policy, and real-world change for learners and workers with diverse needs. But behind the leadership title is a deeply personal story of childhood struggles, red crosses on the page, messages of “not being good enough,” and the long journey from stigma to strength.

In this episode, Katherine and I go deep into:

✨ Early school years – the first moments she felt different in the classroom, the shame tied to red pens and marks, and how those experiences planted both coping strategies and scars.

✨ Diagnosis in the 90s – what it was like to be assessed for dyslexia and dyscalculia at a time when many teachers still denied these differences even existed, and how early interventions shaped her path.

✨ Home life and the word “thick” – the messages about intelligence and achievement she absorbed, the echoes of her father’s unrecognised dyslexia, and what she would gently say to parents today in similar situations.

✨ Breaking cycles of shame – we discuss the idea that “hurt people hurt people” and how unhealed experiences of dyslexic shame can ripple through generations unless we confront, heal, and reshape the narrative.

✨ Tools vs. culture – why assistive technology alone is never enough without cultural change in schools and workplaces. Katherine explains what it really takes to help people thrive: safety, kindness, and environments free from humiliation.

✨ Living with dyscalculia – often less understood than dyslexia, Katherine opens up about how it has affected her life and the strategies she’s developed to work around it.

✨ Redefining worth – why intelligence does not equal value, and what healthier measures of “success” could look like for both children and adults.

✨ Performance anxiety – the triggers Katherine has faced, how over-prepping can backfire, and what genuinely helps her when it’s time to step up and speak.

✨ A message to late or undiagnosed adults – for listeners still masking, copying, and quietly exhausted, Katherine offers one kind, practical step to take today.

And of course, we end with the question every guest answers: What does “Thick No More” mean to you? Katherine’s answer is powerful, challenging, and rooted in the belief that words like “thick” are not just outdated labels, but slurs that our community deserves to throw out once and for all.

This is not just a conversation about dyslexia or dyscalculia it’s about shame, resilience, community, and reclaiming identity. It’s about recognising that “worth ≠ grades,” and that no one should have to carry labels that diminish their potential.

As we close Season 1, I want to thank Katherine for her honesty, her courage, and her leadership. I also want to thank all of you the parents, educators, tech leaders, and countless listeners around the world who have joined this journey. Your messages, shares, and stories prove one thing: we are not alone.

Thick No More. No labels. No limits.

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🎙 Thick No More – Episode with Ben Sutcliffe

In this episode of Thick No More, Jay sits down with Ben Sutcliffe, a man whose story is one of resilience, community, and purpose.

Diagnosed with epilepsy as a teenager, Ben’s world changed overnight. The label carried stigma, misunderstanding, and daily fears of seizures but what could have been a lifetime defined by limits became a story of transformation. Thanks to unwavering support from family, loyal friends, and his own determination, Ben learned to live beyond the diagnosis.

Today, Ben is Director of Executive Projects at Caudwell Children, a UK charity dedicated to changing the lives of disabled and neurodivergent children. For over 17 years, he has poured his skills and lived experience into advocacy, fundraising, and direct support that empowers families to thrive.

In our conversation, Ben shares:
✨ His memories of being diagnosed at 17 and the mental and emotional toll of epilepsy.
✨ The role of true friends and family who stood by him through anger, frustration, and setbacks.
✨ How his parents’ belief in service and resilience shaped his own purpose.
✨ The mission of Caudwell Children and how they open doors of possibility for children across the UK.
✨ A moving story of Tilly Griffiths, a young girl whose powered wheelchair opened not just mobility but a future full of ambition including Stanford University and Disney.
✨ Why stigma still lingers in society and how schools and communities can help break it down.
✨ His vision for the future: more face-to-face, community-based support for families, and expanding services for neurodivergent children.

Ben’s journey reminds us of a simple but powerful truth: a diagnosis does not define you it can light the fire of your purpose. His story is a call to look past labels, believe in potential, and work together to break down barriers.

💡 “Thick No More” to Ben means that moment when someone looks past the stigma and sees your potential—reminding you to believe in yourself too.

🔗 How to Connect & Support
🌐 Visit Caudwell Children – learn more about their work and how you can support.
💬 Use the online chat on the website for direct questions and guidance.
📱 Reach out via Caudwell Children’s social media channels the team responds to all messages.
🙌 Get involved: Volunteer, fundraise, or partner with Caudwell Children to make an impact.

🎧 Tune in for a story of resilience, impact, and hope and hear how Ben’s journey proves that none of us should ever be defined by a label.

Laura Horn’s journey is one of survival, resilience, and transformation. Growing up with childhood trauma, family struggles, and poverty, Laura found herself battling addiction, living with PTSD, and carrying labels without the support she desperately needed.

But this is not a story about defeat it’s about rising. Diagnosed later in life with ADHD and autism, Laura reframed her past and began to unlock the strengths hidden within her neurodivergence. Through writing and poetry, she discovered a way to process pain and turn it into something extraordinary.

In this raw and moving conversation, Laura shares:

• Childhood trauma, loss, and being left without support after tragedy

• Addiction, rock bottom, and the pivotal moment that sparked change

• Living with PTSD and later discovering ADHD & autism

• How poetry, creativity, and nature became lifelines for healing

• Why “Thick No More” means breaking free of labels and reclaiming your brilliance

Laura is now a coach, therapist, and author who helps others navigate trauma and unlock their strengths. Her story proves that even in the darkest of times, hope and creativity can lead to transformation.

📚 Explore Laura’s work:

• Website: www.creatingchangeiemt.com

• Poems on Travel: Amazon UK

• Poems of the Goddess: Amazon UK

👉 If this episode resonates, please share it with someone who needs to hear Laura’s story.