Alex Bores, elected assembly member for the 73rd District of New York, a computer scientist, and co-founder of Who Decides, an effort to align the Democratic message on AI, joins Chris this week. Together, they sort through the Hugging Face incident, in which AI agents went rogue, and what it tells us about where we are with AI right now. And the answer is ... in a strange place. Because what's come to light about what happened in an Open AI testing environment back in May sounds like science fiction. This conversation includes imagining AI agents as teenagers leaving secret notes in a supply closet, a modern day John Henry battling a swarm trying to take over a German-language Wikipedia page, an InfoSec presentation that left jaws on the floor, and the development of an almost cultural convention among AI agents that persisted after it had ceased to be useful.  "There are people that are like, 'Don't engage in this narrative. It's science fiction,'" says Bores. "I actually think engage and wrestle with all that weirdness. You're gonna find things beyond science fiction that might hold the solution for how we end up doing this safely."

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