Most independent artists focus on building an audience, but the real power lies in developing a creative community. In this episode, I delve into the psychology behind transforming casual followers into passionate community members who view themselves as part of something larger.

Drawing insights from my recent interview with singer-songwriter Eli Lev and his "Levitators" community, I break down the key differences between audience building and creative community development. You'll discover why community names matter more than you think, how to move beyond social media performance theater, and practical strategies for creating authentic engagement that serves both you and your supporters.

I examine successful creative community examples from Trekkies to Swifties, revealing what makes certain community names stick while others fall flat. The episode also covers three core engagement strategies: collaborative content creation, meaningful interaction over metrics, and service orientation that benefits everyone involved.

This episode provides a four-step action plan for building a creative community. Because in today's music industry, success isn't measured by how many people know your name, but by how many people are better off because they found your work.

Recommended for independent musicians, content creators, and artists looking to create meaningful connections around their creative work.

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332 Eli Lev – Spiritual Growth: From 250 Shows to Finding Sacred Space in Music

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Spiritual growth takes many forms for independent musicians. Folk artist Eli Lev has woven together influences from Jewish upbringing, Buddhism, and Navajo teachings into a unique artistic journey that took him through 250 shows last year alone.

In this third appearance on the podcast, Eli opens up about the realities of intensive touring, the "entry and exit friction" that comes with constant travel, and how he maintains spiritual and personal well-being while building his Levatators community. We discuss this and his upcoming "Past Lives" EP, as well as his live video for "Where We Come From," shot in a restored 1765 log home on Maryland's Trial Run Farm.

Rather than saving the tough questions for the end, we flip the script and start with what's really slowing him down and the pain he's willing to embrace for his art. Eli shares insights on working with multiple producers, the evolution from his completed Four Directions project to this new spiritual exploration, and how his exposure to diverse faiths influences both his songwriting and his approach to building authentic community with fans.

Whether you're interested in tour sustainability, expressing personal themes in your music, or looking to build deeper connections with your audience, Eli's journey from teaching on the Navajo Nation to becoming a full-time touring artist offers practical wisdom and philosophical depth.

Key Topics:

• Managing the physical and emotional toll of 250+ shows annually
• Weaving diverse spiritual influences into cohesive songwriting
• Building the Levatators fan community through authentic connection
• Working with multiple producers across different projects
• The "entry and exit friction" of intensive touring
• Creating meaningful music videos in historic locations

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Musical listening is the secret that separates professional-sounding bands from technically correct but disconnected performances. This episode explores blues guitarist Kid Andersen's "50% rule" and why listening should consume at least half of your mental bandwidth while playing.

You'll discover the technical mastery paradox that traps countless musicians, practical strategies for developing dual awareness between your performance and your bandmates, and advanced applications, including how rhythm sections use listening skills to lead without taking over. We'll also delve into genre-specific listening approaches for jazz, rock, and acoustic settings, as well as how to read the room and respond to audience energy in real-time.

The episode concludes by addressing a challenge many independent musicians face: staying current with industry trends without burning out or sacrificing actual practice time. Learn curation strategies and practical boundaries that protect your creative focus while keeping you informed and current.

Whether you're struggling to lock in with your rhythm section, missing dynamic cues during performances, or feeling overwhelmed by information overload, this episode provides actionable insights for developing the listening skills that transform good musicians into truly musical collaborators.

Key topics covered:

• Kid Andersen's 50% mental bandwidth rule for musical listening
• The technical mastery paradox and cognitive load management
• Practical exercises for developing dual awareness while playing
• Advanced rhythm section leadership through listening
• Genre-specific listening strategies for different musical styles
• Reading room energy and supporting struggling bandmates
• Managing information overload without sacrificing musical growth

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AI visual production is revolutionizing how independent artists create and present their work, and Steve Pasieka (Skulk the Hulking) is creating visual art at the forefront of this transformation. In this episode, Steve shares how he evolved from live performance art and noise rock to creating a multimedia project that seamlessly blends music, AI-generated visuals, and storytelling.

We explore Steve's unique background in hardcore music and comedy improv, and how these seemingly different worlds inform his creative process. Steve discusses his pivot during the pandemic from live shows to digital content creation, including the development of his fictional video podcast and the birth of his visual art practice using AI tools.

Whether you're intimidated by AI music production or curious about expanding your artistic reach beyond traditional music, Steve offers practical insights on incorporating new technologies while maintaining creative authenticity. He shares the specific AI tools he uses, the communities that helped him learn, and how he harnesses the quirks and obstacles of these technologies to fuel his creativity.

This conversation provides valuable perspective for any independent artist looking to explore the intersection of music, technology, and multimedia storytelling in today's evolving creative landscape.

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Legal mashups and studio management are critical skills that can make or break an independent music career. In this episode, George Ajjan (The ajjancy) shares his systematic approach to creating and distributing mashup covers within legal boundaries, plus his proven strategies for efficient studio sessions and sustainable creative scheduling.

George explains the complex world of music copyright, explaining the legal differences between covers, remixes, and mashups. He reveals how YouTube's Content ID system creates a "safe harbor" for mashup covers and shares his real-world experience navigating copyright holders and clearance challenges.

We also dive deep into studio management, where George explains his preparation process, how he scouts and works with session musicians, and why being over-prepared is still never enough. His batching approach to recording has created a 2-3 year backlog of releasable material including original compositions.

For independent artists struggling to balance creativity with business realities, George offers practical frameworks for long-term creative scheduling, weekly content strategies, and adapting to the changing landscape of independent music.
Whether you're interested in exploring mashup covers, maximizing your studio efficiency, or building sustainable creative practices, this conversation provides actionable insights you can implement immediately.

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Multi-art creativity takes center stage in this conversation with Christian DeWild, a Folsom, California-based artist who seamlessly juggles music, literature, and visual art while working for an electrical contractor. Christian has just released his first single of 2025, "By Your Side," recorded on his analog Tascam system and he's the author of two published books including "Dead Flowers: Let's Get Married On Halloween" and "Some Days Are Ashes: Poems, Limericks, and Illustrations."

In this episode, we explore Christian's unique approach to balancing multiple creative disciplines, his experience with self-publishing books, and the challenges that come with it. We discuss his obsessive relationship with art projects, his philosophical contemplations about creativity within the finite nature of life, and his active role in Folsom's blues scene.

Christian shares insights about the importance of face-to-face networking for securing gigs, his transition to releasing only singles rather than full albums, and the varying timelines he experiences when finishing songs. Whether you're a multi-disciplinary artist or looking to expand your creative practice beyond music, this conversation offers perspectives on maintaining authenticity while pursuing diverse artistic passions.

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