Jessica Winder built a career out of learning exactly how corporate America works, then decided to teach other people how to work it too.

She is Chief People Officer at her Winder Law Firm, a career coach, and mom of four, including two sets of twins born seventeen months apart. After building an entire household team to make her career and her family both possible—from a live-in house manager to a set of core work hours she and her husband both protect—she started talking openly on LinkedIn about what she saw behind the curtain of HR. That honesty turned into a podcast, a speaking career, and a client list full of women trying to get promoted, come back from maternity leave, or figure out if they want to come back at all.

Jessica shares why she believes the 40 hour work week was never built for people with families, and why she thinks having it all really just means paying other people to help you get it. She also explains what she tells women before they go on maternity leave, how she decides which coaching clients are actually the right fit for her, and why she tells everyone to get the title before they ever think about getting the raise.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Meet Jessica Winder

(04:45) On having two sets of twins in seventeen months

(07:26) The team behind the scenes at home

(12:12) How much she and her husband actually work

(16:47) Her two maternity leaves and what she would tell other moms

(23:40) From ranting on LinkedIn to building a media business

(26:23) Why the 40 hour workweek was never built for parents

(28:39) Inside her podcast, Make It Make Sense

(32:40) Coaching moms through the decision to go back to work

(35:44) How to know if your career coach actually knows what they are doing

(41:00) Why you should get the title before you get the raise

(43:57) Save of the week

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Check out Winder Law Firm: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winder-law-firm/

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