What can marathon swimmers teach us about staying safe in open water? Can we really adapt to cold water? And why are researchers increasingly interested in the connection between outdoor swimming, wellbeing and mental health?

In this episode, I sit down with A/Prof Heather Massey, an environmental physiologist at the University of Portsmouth and a leading researcher in cold-water immersion, swimmer safety and outdoor swimming. Heather is also an accomplished marathon swimmer, having completed a solo English Channel crossing, multiple Channel relays, and represented Great Britain at the World Ice Swimming Championships.

During our conversation, we explore Heather's journey into open-water swimming, what she learned from her English Channel crossing, and the unique physiological and psychological demands of marathon swimming. We discuss cold-water adaptation, hypothermia, SIPE, swimmer safety, and some of the misconceptions that continue to surround cold-water swimming.

We also discuss Heather's research into outdoor swimming and mental health, why scientists are increasingly interested in the potential benefits of outdoor swimming, and what questions remain unanswered.

Whether you're training for a channel swim, preparing for your first winter season, or simply curious about the science behind open-water swimming, this episode is packed with practical insights and thought-provoking discussion.

Heather will be visiting Western Australia next month as part of a UWA Institute of Advanced Studies Visiting Fellowship, where she will present public talks on long-distance swimming, outdoor swimming, and mental health. This conversation offers a wonderful introduction to Heather's work ahead of her visit.

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In this episode of The Science & Art of Open Water Swimming, I sit down with Ceinwen Roberts; marathon swimmer, coach, event organiser and one of the most influential contributors to open-water swimming in Western Australia.

From her early days in the pool to becoming an Australian Hall of Fame marathon swimmer, Ceinwen reflects on a lifetime spent in and around the water. We explore her journey to 34 solo Rottnest Channel crossings, breaking the longstanding women's record, completing a Rottnest Triple Crossing, circumnavigating Rottnest Island, and setting a world record across the Bristol Channel.

But this conversation goes well beyond achievements. Ceinwen shares the lessons she's learned from decades of marathon swimming, the role the ocean has played throughout different stages of her life, and how some of her most meaningful experiences have come through helping others achieve goals they once thought were out of reach.

We also discuss the origins of Positive Swim Squad, the creation and growth of Port to Pub, the evolution of open-water swimming in WA, and her reflections on community, resilience, family, and what it means to spend a lifetime connected to the water.

Whether you're training for your first ocean swim, preparing for a channel crossing, or simply love stories from the open-water community, Ceinwen's warmth, humour and perspective make this a conversation not to be missed.

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The Rottnest Channel Swim is one of Western Australia's most iconic sporting events, attracting thousands of swimmers, paddlers, skippers, volunteers and supporters each year. But behind every successful crossing is a huge effort to balance tradition, participation and swimmer safety.

In this episode, I speak with Will Rollo, President of the Rottnest Channel Swim Association, about his own journey in open water swimming and what it means to help steward one of the world's largest open water swimming events.

We discuss the origins and evolution of the Rottnest Channel Swim, the role of teams and solos in growing the sport, the contribution of paddlers, skippers and volunteers, and how the Association approaches risk management, safety and decision-making in an increasingly complex environment.

We also explore the role of research and innovation, including Swimming Induced Pulmonary Oedema (SIPE), route optimisation technology, weather-related challenges, out-of-event crossings, and the opportunities and responsibilities that come with guiding the event into the future.

Whether you're planning your first crossing, supporting a swimmer, or simply interested in the people behind major endurance events, this conversation offers a behind-the-scenes look at the stewardship of the Rottnest Channel Swim and the community that makes it possible.

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Dr Andrew Lyttle has spent more than three decades helping athletes and coaches better understand how humans move through the water. From his PhD research on drag and swimming efficiency at UWA, through nearly 20 years at WAIS, to his current role as National Performance Support Lead for Biomechanics at the AIS, Andrew has been at the forefront of swimming biomechanics in Australia.

In this episode, we explore the science of drag, why efficient swimming should feel easier rather than harder and how our understanding of technique has evolved over time. Andrew shares lessons from his research, his experiences working with elite swimmers and coaches, and some of the key biomechanical principles that apply to both pool and open water swimming.

Whether you're a swimmer, triathlete, coach or simply curious about the science behind performance, this conversation offers a fascinating insight into what makes swimmers faster and more efficient in the water.

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Barbara Pellick: I Reckon I Could Swim Back

As a child, Barbara Pellick stood on Cottesloe Beach looking out towards Rottnest and wondered whether anyone could swim that far. Years later, after completing her first solo Rottnest crossing, she found herself standing on the beach at Rottnest thinking something even more ambitious:

"I reckon I could swim back."

In this episode of The Science & Art of Open Water Swimming, Barb reflects on a lifetime in the water, from discovering open water swimming in Bunbury to completing 30 solo Rottnest Channel crossings, becoming the first woman to complete a Rottnest double crossing, and going on to become the first Western Australian to complete the Triple Crown of Open Water Swimming.

Along the way, we discuss:

• How a relatively late start led to a lifetime of marathon swimming
• The story behind her first solo Rottnest crossing and the decision to swim back
• What it was like attempting a Rottnest double crossing in 1994
• The lessons learned from the English Channel, Manhattan Island, and Catalina Channel
• Completing more than 50 marathon swims without a DNF
• Why mindset matters more than most swimmers realise
• The joy of coaching and helping others achieve goals they once thought impossible
• Taking on the challenge of ice swimming and completing the Extreme Ice Mile

Throughout the conversation, Barb reflects on persistence, self-belief, embracing challenge, and the importance of finding your own reason why.

Whether you're training for your first open water swim or your next major challenge, Barb's story is a reminder that remarkable achievements often begin with a simple idea:

"I reckon I could swim back."

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Charlotte O'Beirne is the founder of Swimming Women, open water swimmer, coach, community builder and self-described "Chief Mermaid".

In this conversation, Charlotte shares her journey from competitive swimming in England to marathon ocean swimming in Western Australia, including multiple Rottnest Channel crossings and a personal battle with fear in the ocean. More importantly, she explains how those experiences led to the creation of Swimming Women, a community that has helped thousands of women build confidence, develop new skills and discover a sense of belonging in the water.

We discuss the importance of safe and supportive swimming environments, the power of community, lessons learned from coaching women of all ages and abilities, and why swimming is often about much more than swimming itself.

Whether you're a pool swimmer, open water swimmer, triathlete, coach, or someone considering a return to the water, this episode is a reminder that there are many ways to find your place in swimming.

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Dr Jeremy Drake is a cancer researcher at Deakin University, a former elite triathlete and a current world championship age-group medallist. More than twenty years ago, I had the opportunity to coach Jeremy during his early years in elite draft-legal triathlon. Since then, his journey has spanned international triathlon competition, a PhD in cancer biology and a career dedicated to understanding how exercise and stress influence cancer progression.

In this conversation, we explore the lessons Jeremy learnt from elite sport, including a challenging introduction to draft-legal racing in Hobart and the persistence required to bounce back just six weeks later. We discuss the realities of balancing a PhD with high-performance sport, the role of resilience in both science and athletics and the personal experiences that shaped Jeremy's commitment to cancer research.

Jeremy shares the story of his mother's breast cancer diagnosis, how it transformed his perspective as both a scientist and a son and the importance of persistence when facing setbacks in life, sport and research.

We also dive into some fascinating emerging science exploring the relationship between exercise, stress and cancer. Jeremy explains what myokines are, how exercising muscles communicate with the rest of the body and why researchers are increasingly interested in the role physical activity may play in improving cancer outcomes.

We also discuss:

• The unique demands of elite draft-legal triathlon
• Persistence, failure and learning from setbacks
• Balancing sport, research and life
• Stress and cancer progression
• Exercise as medicine
• Art, creativity and fundraising for cancer research
• The future of exercise oncology

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What does it mean to age successfully as an athlete?

In this episode, I sit down with Professor Peter Reaburn, one of Australia's leading experts on masters athletes and someone who has spent a lifetime bridging the gap between sport science and real-world athletic performance.

Peter's journey spans competitive swimming, surf lifesaving, triathlon, academia and masters sport. From winning one of Queensland's earliest triathlons and achieving his goal of racing the Ironman World Championship in Hawaii, to leading research into healthy ageing and athletic performance, Peter brings a unique combination of scientific expertise and lived experience.

Together, we explore:

• What defines a masters athlete
• The concept of successful ageing
• Why increasing numbers of older adults are turning to open water swimming
• The role of social connection in lifelong participation
• How training should evolve as we age
• The importance of maintaining intensity and introducing new training stimuli
• Strength training, muscle mass and healthy ageing
• Recovery, sleep and nutrition for masters athletes
• Open water swimming skills, safety and preparation
• Common mistakes older athletes make
• Practical advice for swimmers who want to remain active and competitive for life

Throughout the conversation, Peter shares not only the science underpinning healthy ageing and athletic performance, but also lessons learned from more than five decades in swimming, surf lifesaving and endurance sport.

Whether you're an open water swimmer, triathlete, coach or simply interested in maintaining health and performance as you age, this episode provides valuable insights into what it means to stay active, engaged and thriving throughout life.

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

• Research on successful ageing in masters athletes (David Geard and colleagues)
• Research on recovery in masters athletes (Thomas Doering, Nattai Borges and colleagues)
• Peter Reaburn's work on masters athlete training, recovery and longevity
• Miami Masters Swimming Club
• Masters Swimming Australia

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