In this conversation, I sit down with my friend Adrian Segar to explore the Satir Model of Change—a framework for understanding why things feel so chaotic when everything is shifting (check out Adrian's great post about change models, including Satir's, on Conferences That Work. Adrian shares how foreign elements in his life (job loss, family crisis, identity shifts) eventually led to new, more authentic chapters.

Adrian Segar is known for designing gatherings that help people move from guarded to honest, and from conversation to action. But in this conversation, he's taking us on a guided tour of Virginia Satir's model of change.

This model describes how change feels.

Adrian walks us through:

• Why we start in an old status quo

• What happens when a foreign element hits our lives

• Why the messy, emotional chaos that follows is actually normal

• How a transforming idea emerges

• And how we eventually land in a new status quo

Along the way, he shares very personal sideways stories. From leaving a physics career after 25 years of preparation, to losing a business overnight, to navigating the long, hard road of parenting adopted twins in crisis, Adrian shares how each of those disruptions eventually revealed unexpected silver linings.

If you're in the middle of a layoff, a big transition, a family upheaval, or a season of not knowing, my hope is that this episode gives you language, context, and a little more compassion for yourself.

Please enjoy this conversation with Adrian Segar.