Most couples don’t fight about money. They avoid it until it leaks into resentment, sex, and every little decision. Jenn Pike and Chris Borsellino were in overdraft as a lifestyle — two kids, two businesses, ships passing — until they put every receipt in a basket and made money neutral. This is the conversation that shows how.

In this episode of The Sacred We, Mike Elliott and Courtney Wren-Mabbutt sit with Jenn Pike and Chris Borsellino — partners in life, business, and a decades-long experiment in making money safe to talk about.

They tell the real arc: overdraft as normal, Domino’s totals that shocked them, mason jars and a receipts basket, selling the truck for a Camry when pride said otherwise, and the moment looking at the numbers together changed their course. Along the way they name upper limiting when money finally arrives, pass-the-baton partnership, and the daily walks that became marriage therapy.

The teaching under the stories is simple and hard: avoidance is the fight. Structure creates flow. Money gets neutral when you turn toward it together instead of making each other wrong.

Guest resources:
Jenn Pike / The Simplicity Project:
https://jennpike.com/

Jenn on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/jennpike/

Chris Borsellino on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/chrisborsellino/

Finance discovery with Chris:
https://calendly.com/chrisborsellino/60-finance-meeting

About Jenn & Chris:
Jenn Pike is a functional diagnostic nutritionist, founder of The Simplicity Project, and a longtime voice for women’s health, hormones, and embodied living. Chris Borsellino is a former custom carpenter turned financial advisor who helps families get clear on money without shame. Together they model what it looks like to build health and wealth as a shared practice.

Connect With Us:
The 2:2 Couples Container — private, intensive couples work with Mike & Courtney:
https://www.thesacredwe.com/2-2-container-details

Sign up for our couples list:
https://www.thesacredwe.com/thesacredwe

Bringing the Oracle to Him:
https://www.courtneywren.com/bring-your-oracle-to-him

Rebirth 1:1 with Courtney:
https://www.courtneywren.com/containers

Work with Mike:
https://www.itsmikeelliott.com/coaching

Email: transform@itsmikeelliott.com | relating@courtneywren.com
Instagram: @mikeelliott.relating | @courtneywren.relating

You know that place where love, pleasure, or success just leveled up — and then some sneaky sabotage pops the bubble? That's upper limiting. Nothing is wrong with you. It's a human condition.

Mike Elliott and Courtney Wren-Mabbutt sit down with Gay and Katie Hendricks — pioneers of conscious loving and body intelligence, authors of 40+ books including The Big Leap and Conscious Loving — for a deep dive into how couples upper limit their love the moment it expands. Gay and Katie share how three days of ease used to flip into criticism, victim loops, and weeks of repair… until they learned to see the pattern and recommit to expanding their capacity to give and receive love.

You'll hear the origin of the upper limit (Gay's ice cream sundae story), why unconscious intentions ride shotgun with your conscious vows, how deeper love reveals where you're stuck, and why trading every content fight for "oh — upper limit" changes the whole game. They go into body literacy (the Big Three: anger, grief, fear), spiritual bypassing vs. befriending the animal body, play instead of "working on" the relationship, and what 25+ years without criticism actually feels like.

This episode is packed with lived wisdom for conscious couples who want more love without the sabotage loop — and a clear invitation to recommit, expand, and enjoy the we-space.

Guest resources:

Hendricks Institute seminars (incl. Katie's Nov 2026 Art of Showing Up):
https://hendricks.com/

Art of Showing Up (Nov 6–8, 2026 · Ojai):
https://hendricks.com/seminar/the-art-of-showing-up-in-person-seminar-ojai-ca/

Foundation for Conscious Living (dozens of practice videos):
https://foundationforconsciousliving.org/

About Gay & Katie Hendricks:
Gay and Katie (Kathlyn) Hendricks are pioneers of conscious loving and body intelligence. Through the Hendricks Institute and the Foundation for Conscious Living, they have supported hundreds of thousands of couples, written 40+ books (including The Big Leap, Conscious Loving, and The Conscious Heart), and taught that relationship is a laboratory for expanding your capacity to give and receive love — one recommitment at a time.

Connect With Us:

The Initiated Man — Mike's men's community for doing this work in brotherhood, not alone:
https://www.itsmikeelliott.com/TIM

The 2:2 Couples Container — private, intensive couples work with Mike & Courtney:
https://www.thesacredwe.com/2-2-container-details

Sign up for our couples list:
https://www.thesacredwe.com/thesacredwe

Bringing the Oracle to Him:
https://www.courtneywren.com/bring-your-oracle-to-him

Rebirth 1:1 with Courtney:
https://www.courtneywren.com/containers

Work with Mike:
https://www.itsmikeelliott.com/coaching

Email: transform@itsmikeelliott.com | relating@courtneywren.com
Instagram: @mikeelliott.relating | @courtneywren.relating

Trigger alert: it's not him — it's you. (Well… not entirely you.). If you're aching for him to do the work and finally meet you emotionally — and you know what you've been doing isn't helping — Courtney and Mike go into the feminine's role in sacred relating.

They name the "if he changes, everything will be fine" shadow, the wall women yell over, and why mothering him kills polarity.

The invitation is a different seat: land in Me, know the little girl who's hyper-vigilantly managing him, and embody desire so he can actually feel it — consent before hard talks, fierce love, and delivery from the oracle (not accusation). This isn't another layer of self-blame. It's radical responsibility and freedom: do your part of the dance so the alchemy can come online.

Connect with us:

• Free: Bringing Your Oracle to Him → https://www.courtneywren.com/bring-your-oracle-to-him

• The Initiated Man: https://www.itsmikeelliott.com/TIM

• The 2:2 Couples Container: https://www.thesacredwe.com/2-2-container-details

• Couples list: https://www.thesacredwe.com/thesacredwe

• Courtney 1:1: https://www.courtneywren.com/containers

• Mike coaching: https://www.itsmikeelliott.com/coaching

Email:

transform@itsmikeelliott.com | relating@courtneywren.com

IG: @mikeelliott.relating | @courtneywren.relating