Michael Che is the co-anchor of Weekend Update on Saturday Night Live and the comedian behind the new Netflix special Shot in Minnesota.

We sit down to talk about how an hour like Shot in Minnesota gets built, what more than a decade inside SNL has taught him, and why bombing is part of the job.

Che came up on Chris Rock, George Carlin and Patrice O'Neal, comics who didn't waste words, and he brought that economy to the Update desk. He's willing to bomb with a joke for a year or two because he can see the spark: "It might take me two years to get this right, but I'll know when it's right." His view on edgy material: "We're like doctors being afraid of blood. We work in words. In the right hands, anything can be funny."

We get into the origin of Joke Swap with Colin Jost, born from jokes that died at dress rehearsal, and why Che pushes back on fans who love "the racist jokes segment." His answer: it's about making each other uncomfortable. He takes us inside the machine, a show written on Tuesday and live on Saturday with nine sets in one room, explains why he leaves the sketches to Kenan, and shares the card Lorne Michaels sent with flowers the night he taped the special: "Please don't embarrass me."

More than a decade at the Update desk, and he's still willing to bomb for a joke he believes in.

00:00 Intro

02:02 Shot in Minnesota and the Update desk

05:42 Callbacks and Lorne's card

07:51 Likeability and bombing for a joke

11:50 Joke Swap with Colin Jost

17:01 The r-word and the N-word

23:19 Character, trust and dark material

25:25 SNL's stakes and the weekly machine

33:28 Bombing, Norm and today's Update

39:22 The Plug: Ashley Padilla and listening

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Mark Ronson is the Oscar- and Grammy-winning producer behind "Uptown Funk" and Amy Winehouse's Back to Black.

ENCORE EPISODE — With Night People now out in paperback, we're revisiting this conversation.

We sit down to talk about Night People, his memoir of the downtown New York that made him, years before the hits, when he was the most in-demand DJ in the city.

Ronson went on to produce for Amy Winehouse, Lady Gaga, Adele, Dua Lipa, Jay-Z and Paul McCartney, and curated the Barbie soundtrack. But Night People isn't about the studio. It's a portrait of a grittier, unpolished New York during hip-hop's golden age, and of a career that ran from early acclaim as the city's "It DJ" through post-hype setbacks to reinvention.

We get into the unwritten rules of DJing, why you should never play a hit to an empty room, and the thrill of turning a skeptical crowd into a sweaty, euphoric mess. He also traces how Giuliani-era crackdowns and the rise of bottle service turned NYC nightlife from a chaotic melting pot into velvet-rope exclusivity.

The city in the book is gone. The rules he learned there still run the room.

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Fab 5 Freddy is a founding figure of hip-hop culture and the original host of Yo! MTV Raps.

This episode we sit down with Fab 5 Freddy, artist and filmmaker, for a conversation about the exact moment graffiti, breaking, rap, and downtown punk culture stopped being separate scenes and became one culture: hip-hop.

Fab was there for all of it. In his new memoir, Everybody's Fly, he traces the whole arc, from a Brooklyn childhood spent skipping school for the museums to the making of Wild Style, the film that first put the culture on screen.

We get into what actually happened the night he realized the audio from Wild Style's climactic concert scene was completely blown out. The reshoot came a year later, and by then Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five had already blown up too big to get back in front of the camera.

Fab also talks candidly about running with Jean-Michel Basquiat and Keith Haring back when all three of them were broke and sneaking onto the subway without tokens, and what it was actually like watching two of his closest friends become two of the most famous artists in the world.

Plus: the letter PBS sent calling the idea behind Wild Style "trash," the real story behind Debbie Harry's "Fab Five Freddy told me everybody's fly," and growing up with a father who marched on Washington with Martin Luther King and was in the room the day Malcolm X was assassinated.

Hip-hop didn't have a name yet. Then it did.

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