In this episode, I sit down with Nathan for a real, alive conversation that moves between play, depth, and honest reflection on what it means to be human.

We explore this idea of “becoming more human” — not as something to achieve or perfect, but as something we allow ourselves to soften into. The messy parts. The uncertain parts. The parts that still feel, still react, still don’t have it all figured out.

Along the way, we play with this idea of a “10,000 point human scale” — a lighthearted but surprisingly revealing way of looking at growth. Not as a finish line, but as an ongoing unfolding… where being more human doesn’t mean being perfect, but actually allowing more of your full experience to be here.

There’s a thread here around the desire to be “done” — to be healed, to be clear, to arrive somewhere — and the quiet realization that maybe the path isn’t about getting there at all.

Maybe it’s about learning how to be here.

We move through reflections on:

* Letting go of perfection and the pressure to “arrive”

* What “doing the work” actually means — and how it can become a weapon or a doorway

* The role of teachers, mentors, and learning to trust your own inner authority

* Accountability, self-awareness, and the felt sense of embodiment

* Sitting with not knowing, instead of reaching to escape it

There are moments of laughter, moments of pause, and moments where something deeper comes through — the kind of conversation that doesn’t try to perform, but instead lets itself unfold naturally.

At the core of it all:

You don’t need fixing.You don’t need to become someone else.

This is about learning how to be with yourself as you are—feeling what’s here,staying present,and living from a more honest, connected place.