Does vision matter? And how far into the future should your vision be these days? And how do we deal with copycats in the age of AI? And who is our money pin in the Anthropic vs OpenAI vs Google horse race, especially with mythos in the news.

Timestamps:

• (00:22) - Jordan's our host this episode
• (02:57) - Struggles with pricing on analytics and tracking
• (08:22) - What are the metrics you look at every day?
• (19:06) - Thinking about profitability
• (27:16) - Anthropic vs OpenAI vs Google AI horse race
• (34:38) - Is Mythos actually that much better?
• (40:20) - The addictive nature of coding with AI
• (45:16) - What if the gap becomes greater between what we can afford?
• (49:11) - Struggling with copycasts in AI?
• (01:05:51) - Do we need a clear vision for the future or just build?

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Quick Sight – AWS https://aws.amazon.com/quick/quicksight/
• Stripe Sigma https://stripe.com/en-mx/sigma
• Paddle https://www.paddle.com/profitwell-metrics
• Claude Mythos https://red.anthropic.com/2026/mythos-preview/
• Owner.com https://www.owner.com/
• Base44 https://base44.com/

Why doesn't AI prompt us more often if it's so smart? Ryan Hefner joins us to chat about our daily drivers for shoes, IDE, AI provider, getting the news, and planning a vacation.

Timestamps:

• (00:07) - Introducing Ryan Hefner
• (03:53) - Today's topic: how we choose our daily drivers
• (04:54) - Updates with Justin
• (08:54) - Update from Brian
• (14:16) - Ryan's Launch week concept
• (23:04) - The concept of daily drivers in life
• (25:35) - Daily driver shoes
• (29:58) - Daily driver IDE
• (33:31) - Remote controlling Claude
• (44:44) - Daily driver for AI
• (50:09) - We often stick with a product even when a new one would be more efficient or helpful
• (53:37) - Daily driver for getting the news
• (01:04:32) - Daily drivers for vacations
• (01:15:11) - AI needs to be prompting us more
• (01:22:01) - Daily driver for voice transcription

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Transistor helps publish TBPN video podcast on Apple Podcasts
• Brian's job posting
• Ryan's new app: Launch Weeks
• Freek's new app
• OpenAI buys TBPN for hundreds of millions
• T3 Code editor
• OpenAI Codex
• Superset.sh
• Conductor
• Solo
• CMUX
• Codex plugin for Claude Code
• Surf.social
• Tangle news
• Ground News

Justin's hosting this one and he brought along Ben Curtis from Honeybadger to talk about how AI can be a CRM and also your designer.

Timestamps:

• (00:15) - Introducing Ben Curtis
• (02:57) - How is Honeybadger using AI?
• (06:35) - How do you determine which model to use for different problems?
• (09:33) - How are we using AI in marketing and sales?
• (24:09) - How Steve Schoger used AI to design
• (33:32) - How much longer will websites matter?
• (38:47) - How intelligent are LLMs at product market fit?
• (44:40) - Transistor Update: Video podcast hosting + Ghost integration
• (47:18) - What Honeybadger is working on
• (50:26) - Updates from Brian's work

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Ghost CMS
• Claude AI
• Codex by OpenAI
• Hatchbox for Deployment
• Figma
• Google Stitch
• Tailwind CSS
• Claude MCP for Figma
• @SteveSchoger designs with Claude

It's Jordan's turn to host and he's got some AI companies he's not sure about...

Timestamps:

• (00:06) - Jordan's episode to host!
• (01:19) - Business update from Brian
• (05:45) - Justin's business update
• (14:09) - How Jordan advertises to his existing customers
• (21:50) - Jordan's business update
• (28:48) - Is Polsia fake or real?
• (40:47) - Adam Wathan announces ui.sh
• (58:12) - Is Delve AI compliance a scam?
• (01:14:45) - Where is OpenClaw today and what's the point?

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• GStack — Turn Claude Code into a Virtual Software Development Team
• Polsia — AI That Runs Your Company While You Sleep
• This AI generates $689K - Business Podcast for Startups
• ui.sh — Turn your terminal into a design engineer
• Stitch - Design with AI
• Basecamp — Basecamp CLI and Agent Skill: Agent first, agent native
• Delve | SOC 2 Compliance, HIPAA | Automated Compliance for AI, Startups | Get GDPR, ISO 27001, Cybersecurity Compliant & More | Delve Automated Compliance
• Delve - Fake Compliance as a Service - Part I
• Gusto | Online HR Services: Payroll, Benefits and everything else
• OpenClaw AI - Open Source AI Assistant | Formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot
• Claude

Brian, Justin, and Jordan talk about the opportunity costs in business decision-making, the impact of AI on marketing channels and strategies, and building custom internal tools with AI versus SaaS solutions.

Timestamps:

• (00:44) - Brian takes the lead
• (02:17) - Opportunity costs
• (17:29) - What is Brian's opportunity on Twitter?
• (21:41) - Figuring out what Builder Methods is and who it's for
• (24:53) - Should Brian hire someone to help achieve his goal?
• (28:47) - How is AI killing Saas
• (39:54) - People will want their own agent to use the softare, not a company's AI
• (51:07) - Jordan's CRM experiment

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Links:

• Builder Methods Pro
• Brian's YouTube

What happened to you in Mexico? Justin is back from his co-founder retreat with Jon on Holbox Island. He gets vulnerable about the drift that naturally happens in a remote co-founder relationship, the big conversations they'd been avoiding, and the realization that alignment isn't a one-time thing (it requires constant investment!). Jordan and Brian weigh in on co-founder dynamics, decision-making in a 50/50 partnership, and why strategy has to belong to a key decision maker.

The conversation then spills into the "Mexican standoff" happening on teams as AI reshapes who does what and whether that's something to fear (or lean into).

Timestamps:

• (00:06) - Introduction
• (01:47) - Justin and Jon's founder retreat
• (06:44) - Using video as an example of how to communicate with cofounders
• (09:45) - It's not a marriage, it's a dictatorship
• (12:12) - What do goals look like for a company?
• (20:48) - Video is hard and heavy... should we do it?
• (24:22) - What Jordan's done to help alignment on his team
• (29:46) - What about Jon's side of the conversation?
• (39:46) - Navigating new work dynamics with the speed of AI
• (46:56) - There are smart developers resisting AI - why?
• (54:24) - A Mexican standoff on teams
• (01:06:47) - Company design and system design

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Holbox Island
• Photos from co-founder retreat
• Article: The five stages of losing our craft
• Article: Will Claude Code ruin our team?
• Jack Dorsey lays off 931 workers
• Polsia - this weird AI driven SaaS making $2m! (You give it an idea, provide a budget/credit card, and it autonomously launches the business)
• More on Ben Cera, founder of Polsia
• The Amazing Money Machine book cover

Brian and Jordan talk about the need for developers to adapt to survive, Brian debates how much of a content creator he is vs product seller, Jordan relates his experience talking with investors, and the rise of zero human companies ZHC.

Timestamps:

• (00:18) - Welcoming Justin er Jordan back to the show
• (02:48) - Companies that we're surprised aren't adopting AI tools
• (11:49) - Roles are blending together
• (20:18) - Is Brian a product person or creator?
• (33:36) - Or should he be doing consulting?
• (37:27) - Debating taking funding for Saas
• (48:10) - Zero Human Companies

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Matt Pocock on X: "Something that I think goes under-emphasized is how much AI coding demands a 'lead dev' mentality. If you spent your pre-AI career trying to level up your teammates (through API design, feedback loops, architecture) Then working with AI will feel natural. If you only focused"
• Extend Claude with skills - Claude Code Docs
• About - Gauntlet AI
• Austen Allred on X: "Kelly (my AI bot) used 5 subagents to one-shot this app end to end. Zero human involvement. Insane. She’s building App Store worthy apps entirely by herself on the daily now."
• Tom Osman 🐦‍⬛ on X: "I work on the assumption that the most powerful AI models are far more intelligent than me. My job is just to assist when needed. This morning I gave @JunoAgent a Deep Research model to explore different token design routes based on what we're working on. This came out 👇🏻"

We make 2 big announcements about changes to The Panel. Then we debate whether there's a founder branding advantage and how AI will affect small software teams in 2026.

Timestamps:

• (00:46) - Our first announcement
• (02:20) - Why are we bringing Jordan on as a co-host?
• (06:51) - Why did Jordan want to join The Panel?
• (14:48) - What's the new format for The Panel?
• (18:29) - Is there a founder branding advantage?
• (37:03) - How is AI going to affect Saas in 2026 and beyond?
• (43:32) - How small teams can adapt easier than larger teams to AI

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Bootstrapped Web
• Marketing for Developers
• A Mexican standoff Happening in AI
• The five stages of losing our craft
• Justin is the co-founder of Transistor.fm
• Brian is the founder of Builder Methods
• Jordan is the co-founder of Rosie