Aaron Francis joins The Panel this week to talk about entrepreneurship, programming, and parenting. We chatted about how personal experiences shape our business journeys, the evolution of programming tools, and the importance of identifying market signals for success.

Timestamps:

• (00:16) - Aaron Francis joins The Panel
• (02:06) - How we're teaching our kids about programming?
• (09:36) - The gap between AI code and design
• (16:04) - How much AI are we using to write newsletters?
• (20:22) - The web feels like it's back
• (21:26) - Signals your business is working
• (43:47) - Navigating when to pivot
• (52:56) - What would you say to grade 12 class?
• (01:12:26) - How to decide what product to work on next
• (01:22:12) - Recording live streams of working sessions
• (01:35:35) - Worrying about ideal customers vs just trying stuff

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Links mentioned in this episode

• Mostly Technical
• Aaron Francis
• Ian Landsman
• Dancing Without A Partner – Signal v. Noise
• Paper – design, share, ship
• Newsletter - Aaron Francis
• Phil Vischer - Wikipedia
• ThePrimeagen - YouTube

Justin is impressed with V0's ability to build working prototypes quickly. We've also got Sora 2 thoughts. And... what should we teach our kids when AI makes everything easy? Brian launches Agent OS v2. Could either of us survive without the internet for more than a day?

Timestamps:

• (00:00) - This can be the show
• (00:20) - Prototyping Transistor's episode creation UI in v0
• (05:39) - Who would be working on this kind of project at Transistor?
• (12:55) - Our thoughts on Sora 2
• (21:00) - How will we be able to tell what's human creations vs AI?
• (31:40) - Are kids growing up being too dependant on AI?
• (49:30) - What motivates us is different for each person
• (56:42) - Is building in AI the key to revenue?
• (01:02:10) - How has the launch of AgentOS v2 going?
• (01:06:47) - Customers pulling vs pushing to customers
• (01:09:55) - Brian's thinknig around content for pro members
• (01:16:15) - Could we survive in a cabin in the woods without internet?

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Links mentioned in this episode

• Sora by ChatGPT
• 0xFramer on X
• Cheeky Pint: Des Traynor on Intercom (transcript at 35m15s)
• Mind the Game Podcast
• Tony Dinh: Oct 2025 Updates - Code, Money, and Travel
• TypingMind - LLM Frontend Chat UI
• Agent OS - AI Coding Agents System
• Spec-Driven Development Workshop
• Mostly Technical: Vision Quest
• Justin Jackson: 2017 Year in Review
• Alex Duggleby on AI and Junior Developers

Justin Jackson and Brian Casel discuss the evolving landscape of entrepreneurship, particularly in the context of AI's impact on product development, creativity, and the job market. They explore the importance of having a clear vision when using AI tools, the challenges faced by junior developers, and the enduring need for human connection in art and media. The discussion also touches on the future of work, the role of AI in enhancing productivity, and the implications for artists and creators in a rapidly changing environment.

Timestamps:

• (01:48) - Vibe coding a marketing tool for Transistor
• (11:23) - Coding with AI vs designing with AI
• (18:35) - Is vibe coding a playground or for serious development work?
• (24:57) - Negativity around AI and building
• (46:24) - Artists and AI
• (01:00:36) - Will we ever go back to the social days of Twitter
• (01:08:34) - What are your Q4 goals? Do you think about end of the year business planning?
• (01:31:27) - The importance of telling people what you're doing
• (01:42:53) - The benefits of a long career

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Links mentioned in this episode

• v0 by Vercel
• Dribbble
• Balsamiq
• Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow. - The New York Times
• Aaron Francis on X
• The Last Days Of Social Media
• Stratechery by Ben Thompson
• Dithering
• Agent OS