Episode 5 of The Ordinary Time: Phil and Billy sit down for an honest, unscripted conversation about the hardest part of living the Catholic faith — surrender.
They talk about what it actually looks like to give your struggles to God instead of white-knuckling your way through them: the pressure to have it all figured out, the shame of not doing enough, and the quiet lie that good behavior is what gets you into heaven. Drawing on the examples of Joseph in the Old and New Testaments, King David's Psalm 51, and the story of St. Longinus at the foot of the cross, they talk through what it means that God invites rather than forces — and why so many of us know Christ by name but never pick up the cross.
This isn't a scripted teaching — it's two friends, unfiltered, working through their own doubt, anxiety, and recovery in real time, and trusting that the struggle itself is part of the gift.