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Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:09 - Anthropic’s mission and early structure
03:00 - FTX, investor alignment, and mission protection
04:03 - The Long-Term Benefit Trust
06:09 - Why trust can become a business asset
07:30 - Is Anthropic winning because of trust or product?
09:09 - What happened to Google’s original culture
10:30 - Why Google missed the transformer opportunity
12:18 - Companies that stayed true to their ethos
12:54 - What makes an organization incorruptible
14:42 - Is the MVP still possible in the AI era?
15:18 - Why Eric is worried about vibe coding
16:12 - The danger of building artifacts you do not understand
17:51 - Why creators overvalue what they make
19:30 - AI-generated work and the illusion of quality
20:06 - Validated learning versus AI artifacts
21:36 - Craft matters more than typing code
22:21 - How Eric uses AI for writing
25:48 - Solve It and Eric’s AI-assisted writing workflow
28:39 - Why editing AI output inside the context matters
31:39 - How Eric uses research with AI
33:18 - Using AI to evaluate and improve writing
35:24 - Keeping the human in control of context
36:09 - Final thoughts on Incorruptible

Eric Ries, author of The Lean Startup, joins Andrew to talk about his new book Incorruptible and why some companies stay mission-driven while others slowly lose what made them valuable.

They dig into Anthropic’s founding structure, why trust can become a business advantage, what Google’s AI story reveals about corporate drift, and why Eric thinks the vibe coding era could end badly if people use AI to replace skill instead of building it.

The big idea: AI can make builders more powerful, but only if it strengthens human judgment, craft, and learning. The artifact is not the asset. The learning is.

👉 Join us: https://thenextnewthing.ai/

Polsia claims any non-technical person can launch and run a startup using their AI agent platform. Bold claim. So I asked Ben Cera to show me the real data: revenue, churn, infrastructure costs, and whether the product is actually building businesses — or just generating AI slop.

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Resources: https://thenextnewthing.ai/l/how-ben-cera-builds-polsia
Polsia: https://polsia.com

Here's what we covered:

-How Polsia hit a $10M annual run rate with no full-time staff
-The 50% month-one churn problem — and why Ben says it's not a disaster
-An Anthropic bill that hit $1–1.5M/month, and how they're fixing it
-Why the company name "Polsia" is "AI Slop" spelled backwards
-The $30M funding round and what it's being used for
-What it actually takes to build a zero-employee AI company in 2025

This is the hardest I've pushed a founder in a while. Watch until the end — his answer on whether 10% of companies making any money is a success will either inspire you or infuriate you.

Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:59 - Polsia's $10M run rate
02:18 - Churn and who Polsia is for
06:27 - What needs to change in Polsia
10:12 - Is Polsia creating AI slop?
15:00 - Are users making money?
18:18 - Showcasing companies built on Polsia
21:36 - Why Polsia is AI slop backwards
25:30 - The $1.5M Anthropic bill
28:03 - Agent infrastructure partners
29:42 - How users bypassed email limits
35:15 - Zapier sponsor segment
36:27 - Cold outreach, spam, and guardrails
40:48 - AI-generated ads and Meta
43:39 - How much revenue comes from ads
44:33 - Andrew asks Ben to show Stripe
47:06 - Polsia coin and crypto scams
48:36 - Running Polsia with zero employees
52:12 - Ben's vision for agentic AI
54:54 - Closing

👉 Join us: https://thenextnewthing.ai/

👉 Link to resources: https://thenextnewthing.ai/l/chandler-lovable-adds-sales
👉 Chandler Bolt (X): https://x.com/chandler_bolt

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Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:27 - The AI sales management hub
01:12 - How every sales call gets graded
02:15 - AI feedback for sales reps
03:00 - Building the hub in Lovable
04:12 - Letting the team update scripts and rubrics
05:15 - Replacing managers with AI
06:36 - Automating call reviews and quality control
08:24 - Where human leadership still matters
09:27 - The librarian for sales stories
10:21 - Managers vs. leaders
11:42 - How much time AI saves
12:54 - What happens to manager roles
14:06 - Closing

Chandler Bolt runs an eight-figure company, and his team used Lovable to build an AI sales management hub that helped add half a million dollars in sales last month.

In this episode of The Next New Thing, Chandler shows how selfpublishing.com is using AI to grade every sales call, give reps detailed feedback, surface improvement opportunities, and turn call reviews into a repeatable system. Instead of managers reviewing a few calls per week, the AI hub reviews every call against a rubric, summarizes what happened, and gives specific coaching on what the rep can do better.

Chandler and Andrew also talk about what this means for the future of management. The big shift is that AI can take over the repetitive parts of management, like quality control, call reviews, scorecards, and accountability, while human leaders focus on coaching, encouragement, strategy, and recruiting.