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The Long Burn

The Long Burn

著者: Jonathan Wade & Joel Malin
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The Long Burn is a strategy-driven podcast for real estate investors, entrepreneurs, and high performers who want to achieve Financial Independence without burning out their health, relationships, or purpose along the way. Hosted by two entrepreneurs within the medical and wellness space, the show sits at the intersection of money, health, performance, and intentional living—breaking down how to build wealth, design leverage, stabilize mental and physical health, and ultimately live life on your own terms. Each episode delivers practical frameworks, candid conversations, and real-world playbooks around investing, healthcare optimization, entrepreneurship, and personal growth. The mission is simple: eliminate blind spots that quietly derail FIRE journeys and give listeners the tools to build sustainable wealth, resilient health, and long-term freedom.

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  • Episode 25 - Is Your Success a Coping Mechanism?
    2026/10/22
    Send us Fan MailPodcast Episode Summary: The Long Burn PodcastHost: Joel Malin, LPC / LMHC (Solo Episode) Topic: Success as a Coping Mechanism: ACEs, Overcompensation, and Entrepreneurial Drive Executive OverviewIn this solo episode, host Joel Malin explores the psychological underpinnings of high achievement, leadership, and business drive. He introduces the Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) study to examine how childhood trauma, instability, and hyper-functional coping mechanisms can manifest as executive strengths—such as hyper-vigilance, fierce independence, and perfectionism—while simultaneously creating hidden risks like burnout, micromanagement, and emotional isolation. Key Discussion Points1. Wins, Challenges, and Personal UpdatesHouse Closing: Joel shares a personal win of closing on his family's new home, making it a safe space for his son, Gideon, and building stability despite lingering moving delays. Sleep & Stress: He reflects on the challenge of staying asleep when his mind is running quickly, noting how life transitions impact physical recovery. Community Connection: Attended the Harvest Day Festival and tractor parade in Nashville, Georgia. 2. The Science of Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs)Background: Developed in the mid-1990s by Dr. Vincent Felitti (Kaiser Permanente) and Dr. Robert Anda (CDC), surveying 17,000 adults across 10 categories (Abuse, Neglect, Household Dysfunction). Prevalence: Approximately 60%–64% of adults have experienced at least 1 ACE. About 1 in 6 adults (16%–17%) score a "high" score of 4 or more. Health & Behavioral Risks: A score of 4+ correlates with a 4.6\times increased risk of clinical depression, 12\times risk of attempted suicide, 7\times risk of alcoholism, 4-10\times risk of illegal drug use, and double-to-triple the risk for heart disease, COPD, and autoimmune issues. 3. Trauma Traits Masked as Business SuperpowersJoel maps childhood adaptive behaviors to executive leadership patterns: Hyper-vigilance or Market Foresight: An overactive amygdala scanning for danger can look like high risk-management skills, but can devolve into paranoia. Fierce Independence or Work Ethic: The belief that "no one is coming to save me" builds extreme self-reliance, but prevents delegation and creates single-point-of-failure bottlenecks. Control as Safety: Controlling behavior isn't always about dominating others; it is often a deeply rooted quest for predictable safety. Entrepreneurship as a Hiding Place: Business ownership offers full environment control, but can reinforce trauma by keeping the individual in a constant high-pressure, high-stress cycle. 4. Leadership Blind Spots & The "Firefighting" TrapCrisis Addiction: Leaders with trauma backgrounds often struggle with quiet stability, unconsciously triggering chaos, new projects, or unnecessary pivots just to feel the familiar rush of surviving a crisis. The Goalpost Dilemma: Hitting major business milestones brings only fleeting satisfaction before immediately hunting for the next goal, treating self-worth as a moving target. Projecting Standards: Expecting employees to maintain an unsustainable, survival-driven pace leads to team burnout because healthy employees haven't built trauma-response endurance. 5. Shifting from Survival-Driven to Values-Driven LeadershipMotivation Audits: Ask if you are building a business to create true value/legacy or as a defense mechanism to prove your worth. Decoupling Identity from Output: Recognize that revenue, productivity, and business events do not define your core value as a human. Transitioning to Presence: Moving from fear of scarcity (financial, time, or resources) to intentional vision and purpose. Practical Checks: Use Somatic regulation (breathwork, exercise, sleep), honest conversations with peers, and therapy to integrate past experiences. The 10 ACE Test Screening QuestionsJoel reads through the 10 diagnostic categories (events occurring before age 18): Verbal abuse / humiliation by an adult in the home Physical abuse / severe physical punishment Sexual abuse Emotional neglect / feeling unloved or unsupported Physical neglect / lack of basic food, clean clothes, or medical care Parental separation or divorce Domestic violence against a mother/stepmother Household substance abuse (alcoholism or drug use) Household mental illness or suicide attempt Incarcerated household member Practical TakeawaysThe Suitcase Analogy: Everyone brings a "suitcase" of past stresses and experiences to work; understanding your ACE score helps audit what is inside your suitcase. Audit Your Motives: Evaluate whether your business goals are filling a bottomless pit of past insecurity or driving genuine personal fulfillment.
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    30 分
  • Episode 24 - Recognizing the Power of "And"
    2026/10/15

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    Podcast Episode Summary: The Long Burn Podcast

    Hosts: Dr. Jonathan Wade & Joel Malin

    Topic: The "Both/And" Mindset, Confronting Brutal Truths, and Overcoming Binary Thinking

    Executive Overview

    In this episode, Dr. Jonathan Wade and Joel Malin record together in person after a brief hiatus due to Joel’s relocation and joining Orchard Health as a counselor. They explore the concept of "Both/And" thinking (dialectical thinking) versus rigid "Either/Or" perspectives. Grounding their discussion in the Stockdale Paradox, they examine how accepting competing truths can help entrepreneurs and individuals navigate life's setbacks, manage expectations, and maintain sustainable long-term success.

    Key Discussion Points

    1. Life Updates & Transition

    • Co-Location: Joel has relocated from Jacksonville, Florida, to join Dr. Wade directly at Orchard Health in Georgia as a therapist.
    • Multifaceted Roles: Beyond providing clinical counseling, Joel is involved in building out their studio space and assisting with various practice initiatives.

    2. The Stockdale Paradox & "Both/And" Thinking

    • The Stockdale Paradox: Inspired by Admiral James Stockdale's experience as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, Jonathan shares how Stockdale survived by confronting the brutal reality of his situation while maintaining total faith that he would ultimately prevail—without attaching false timelines.
    • The Danger of Deferred Hope: Joel highlights how setting rigid expectations (e.g., "we'll be out by Christmas") leads to repeated disappointment, causing psychological helplessness.
    • Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT): Joel connects this concept to DBT, a therapeutic modality that helps individuals tolerate competing truths simultaneously rather than falling into black-and-white or dualistic thinking.

    3. Reframing Business and Personal Setbacks

    • Diversification at Orchard Health: Rather than treating Orchard Health as just a traditional medical clinic, Jonathan expanded it into a comprehensive wellness practice offering counseling, aesthetics, IV wellness, and an in-house pharmacy.
    • Handling Business Losses: Jonathan reflects on receiving news that Orchard Health's largest employer client would not renew in 2027 following a corporate buyout. Unlike past setbacks that caused months of self-blame, embracing a resilient mindset allowed him to process the hit quickly and focus on solutions with his team.
    • Fear and Courage: The hosts note that courage is not the absence of fear, but taking action alongside fear. Entrepreneurs must accept both the possibility of difficulty and the commitment to persevere.

    4. Vocabulary Reframing & Balance

    • Replacing "But" with "And": Joel emphasizes how substituting "and" for "but" preserves the validity of both sides of a statement. For example, instead of "I want to set a boundary, but I don't want to hurt her feelings," reframe to "I want to set a boundary, AND I plan to be gentle with her feelings."
    • Rest is Productive: Taking a rest day is not "being lazy"—it is an intentional investment in long-term health and personal relationships.
    • Marathon vs. Sprint: Building a sustainable business and family life requires pacing over a marathon rather than running endless short sprints to burnout.

    Key Takeaways

    • Avoid "Ricky Bobby" thinking ("If you ain't first, you're last"). Life and business rarely fit into absolute binaries.
    • You can experience extreme stress or uncertainty in one area of life and still maintain health, purpose, and progress overall.
    • True long-term success means showing up on "boring Tuesdays" and balancing ambitious career goals with intentional family presence.


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    35 分
  • Episode 23 - Corey Golding - Part 2
    2026/09/17

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    The Long Burn - Episode 23: Part 2

    Guest Speaker - Corey Golding - Greenville, SC

    1. The Accidental Partnership & International Context

    • The Greenville Connection: Jonathan bought a short-term rental in Greenville, SC, without realizing Corey was the former owner. When Jonathan needed local landscaping, he unknowingly reached out to Corey, launching both their project and their friendship.
    • Business Environments (Australia vs. US): Having lived in Australia and South Africa before moving to the US, Corey compares the regulatory landscapes. He notes that while Australia features heavy government oversight and multi-year licensing barriers, the US offers unmatched speed, market opportunity, and scalability for energetic entrepreneurs.

    2. Faith, Pivot, and the Weight of Loss

    • From Youth Ministry to Landscaping: Struggling to support a growing family on a $29,000 youth ministry salary, Corey pivoted during the 2020 pandemic. He landed an initial $8,000 mulch job that served as the launchpad for Koala Care Services, which eventually grew into a multi-million dollar residential builder.
    • Grief as a Catalyst for Courage: Corey and his wife, Morgan, experienced the devastating loss of their full-term daughter, Emmy, during childbirth. Grounded in their Christian faith, walking through that level of grief dismantled Corey's fear of failure, giving him the internal freedom and clarity to make bold, decisive business moves.

    3. Scaling Pains, Health, and Delegation

    • The Cost of Rapid Growth: Scaling revenue from $300,000 to over $1M+ within two years while managing up to five development properties simultaneously came at a heavy price. Physical and emotional burnout forced Corey to rethink his lifestyle, address chronic stress, and realign his work with long-term health and family.
    • Shifting from Operator to Visionary: Corey realized that sustaining momentum meant abandoning the belief that "no one else can do it right." By hiring for character, empowering experts to lead specific operational areas, and focusing on long-term strategy, he shifted from working in a job to building an actual company.

    Notable Takeaways & Core Lessons

    • Grief Resets Risk Perception: Deep personal trial can strip away the trivial fear of operational or financial risk, enabling a leader to act with greater decisiveness and conviction.
    • Unchecked Growth is Toxic: Revenue velocity without operational capacity and healthy boundaries leads directly to physical burnout and personal strain.
    • Character-First Hiring Enabler: True delegation requires releasing control to high-character individuals who possess skills the founder lacks.

    If you are in the Greenville area looking for a reputable company to help you with your property, please visit Corey's website at www.koalakareservices.com

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    42 分
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