In this episode of Just So You Know, Jamie and Justina sit down with physician-scientist Dr. Mari Mitrani to uncover the hidden realities of science, medicine, and ethics.

This conversation goes deeper than surface level takes — into the parts of healthcare and research that most people never question.

From animal testing to women being excluded from studies, to how nutrition is completely overlooked in modern medicine… this episode challenges everything we think we know about health.

We get into:

• What really happens behind the scenes in medical research

• The truth about animal testing and why it’s still happening

• The emotional conflict of being vegan in a non-vegan scientific world

• Why most animal-tested drugs don’t even work in humans

• The shocking history of women being excluded from research

• Hormones, fertility, menopause — and what women were never taught

• The real impact of plant-based diets on health, fertility, and hormones

• How industries influence doctors, trends, and misinformation

This episode is raw, eye-opening, and honestly… a little unsettling.

Because once you see it — you can’t unsee it.

If you’ve ever questioned what you’ve been told about health, medicine, or the food on your plate,

this episode is for you.

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🕒 CHAPTER MARKERS

00:00 Intro + Why This Conversation Matters

02:03 Mari’s Journey Into Veganism at 13

05:15 Being a Vegan Woman in a Male-Dominated Field

07:05 The Reality of Animal Testing in Medicine

11:19 Why Animal Testing Often Fails Humans

12:46 The Emotional Toll of Testing on Animals

16:14 Navigating Ethics in a Non-Vegan World

18:06 Fertility, Hormones & Plant-Based Nutrition

20:23 Pregnancy Cravings + Nutritional Truths

21:06 What Women Actually Need (Folic Acid, Nutrients, etc.)

24:48 Doctors, Misinformation & Industry Influence

27:11 Women Were Excluded From Research?!

31:23 Sexual Health, Hormones & Diet

33:10 Are Humans Really That Different From Animals?

35:44 Menopause, Fiber & Why Women Need Plants

40:05 Soy Myths Debunked (For Real)

46:22 Gut Health, Microbiome & Fiber Explained

50:23 Why People Fear Plants (Misinformation Breakdown)

54:05 The Future of Science Without Animal Testing

57:01 Funding, Grants & The Reality Behind Research

58:44 Beagle Testing + Emotional Reality of Lab Animals

01:00:15 Why This Should Change How You See Animals

01:05:19 Would Mari Ever Help Rescue Lab Animals?

01:06:23 Final Thoughts + The Future Looks Different