What if the secret to lifting your grandchildren at 85 isn't a supplement or a cold plunge, but a lifestyle you start today?

Dr. Howard Luks is a board-certified orthopedic surgeon and author of Longevity Simplified. His message is simple: our bodies were designed to move, and the capabilities you don't train are the ones you lose.

Howard explains why the 10,000-step goal is a marketing myth, why falls are less about the fall itself than the frailty that follows, and why pain doesn't always mean harm. He and David explore metabolic health, recovery, and the surprising reason tennis may add more years to your life than running.

Ninety to ninety-five percent of longevity comes from a few simple habits. The rest is garnish.

Episode Links
Longevity Simplified by Dr. Howard Luks - https://a.co/d/0cD34tw4
Dr. Howard Luks' website - https://www.symphonymed.org/

Get David Phelps' Exit Optional Playbook – https://exitoptional.com

Timecodes
00:00 – Intro
01:06 – Introducing Dr. Howard Luks
02:45 – From Scalpel to Prevention: How His Thinking Evolved
05:45 – What Is Metabolic Health?
09:46 – Movement as the Foundation of Longevity
12:43 – Falls, Frailty, and the Brain-Muscle Connection
20:03 – Loneliness, Purpose, and Why Tennis Wins
24:45 – Running, Osteoarthritis, and Rethinking Old Assumptions
30:48 – Cutting Through Longevity Trends and Supplements
38:12 – The Non-Negotiable Habits for Staying Active at 85

Most people are taught to follow a familiar path:

Get an education. Find a good job. Save money. Contribute to retirement accounts. Avoid mistakes. Trust the experts.

It sounds responsible.

But Kim Kiyosaki believes there is a more important question beneath that advice:

Are you building security—or are you building freedom?

Kim is an entrepreneur, real estate investor, bestselling author of Rich Woman, and co-founder of the Rich Dad Company alongside Robert Kiyosaki. In this conversation with David, she challenges many of the assumptions people inherit about money, investing, education, and financial independence.

Her own journey began with a $45,000 rental house, a trembling hand at the closing table, and just $25 a month in cash flow.

The amount was almost irrelevant.

What mattered was that she had crossed the line from studying investing to becoming an investor.

Kim explains why financial intelligence cannot be outsourced, why mistakes are often the price of growth, and why no one will ever care about your financial future as much as you must.

She and David explore the difference between assets and liabilities, cash flow and speculation, and security and control. They also confront one of the greatest barriers facing successful professionals: the fear of being wrong.

School teaches us to avoid mistakes and search for the correct answer. Investing and entrepreneurship require experimentation, judgment, collaboration, and the willingness to learn through experience.

But this conversation is about more than money.

When Kim and Robert became financially free in 1994, they did not simply stop working. They gained the ability to ask a more meaningful question:

What do we actually want to do with our lives?

Financial freedom is not the absence of work. It is the ability to choose your work, direct your time, protect what matters, and build a life that is not dependent on the next paycheck.

Security may help you feel protected.

Freedom allows you to decide what your life is for.

Episode Links:
Learn more about Rich Dad – https://richdad.com
Cashflow Board Game – https://richdad.com/cashflow-game-online/
Rich Woman by Kim Kiyosaki – https://www.amazon.com/Rich-Woman-Investing-Women-Because/dp/B002GJU4SG

Get David Phelps’ Exit Optional Playbook – https://exitoptional.com

Many business owners spend decades building a thriving company, providing for their families, and earning the freedom they once dreamed about.

But eventually, a different question emerges:

Now what?

In this conversation, David sits down with longtime friend, attorney, entrepreneur, and author Ben Glass to explore what it means to intentionally design the second half of life.

Rather than viewing an exit as the finish line, Ben shares why the greatest opportunity may be to shift from building a business to building people—passing on wisdom, cultivating deeper relationships, and creating a life defined by purpose instead of professional identity.

Together, they discuss why happiness comes from having choices, how to prepare for life beyond your primary career years before you ever step away, and why the most valuable asset you can build isn't simply wealth—it's the freedom to decide how you'll spend your time.

This conversation isn't really about retirement.

It's about becoming the kind of person whose greatest contribution may still be ahead.

Because financial freedom isn't the end goal.

It's the opportunity to design a life that becomes more meaningful with every passing year.

Episode Links:
Ben Glass Law: https://benglasslaw.com
Lunch with Ben: https://lunchwithben.com

Get David Phelps' Exit Optional Playbook: https://exitoptional.com

Timecodes:
00:00 – Building a Life, Not Just a Resume
05:04 – Doing More of What Gives You Energy
10:27 – Letting Go & Finding Your Next Chapter
16:37 – Creating Meaningful Friendships
20:19 – Succession Planning Done Right
26:25 – Happiness Comes From Choices
30:45 – Give Yourself Permission to Lead
35:24 – Thriving in the Age of AI
38:38 – Principles for a Meaningful Life
43:02 – How to Connect with Ben